South Africa can topple Australia at top of LG ICC ODI Championship for first time

LA ICE-E · 12-02-2007, 04:09 AM

http://icc.cricket.org/icc-odi/conte...ry/280099.html
At last someones close to taking down the aussies! go SA! and NZ please beat them in the coming up series. but whats bigger winning the world cup or winning the odi shield?

Matt79 · 12-02-2007, 05:13 AM

What the hell is the ODI shield?

I think that answers your question btw...

Steulen · 12-02-2007, 05:33 AM

Haha.

But seriously, I think SA really deserve to be in this position (unlike the time they actually took first place in the Test rankings, I might add).

The current SA ODI team has close to the ideal mix of strike bowlers, good back-up bowlers, solid batsmen, strokemakers and excellent fielders, much like the Australian team itself. There's not much to choose between them, imo. And they both lack a good spinner

pasag · 12-02-2007, 05:35 AM

Go Pakistan!

IndianByHeart · 12-02-2007, 05:48 AM

I have a feeling that Australians would be at the top of the gear against Kiwis, even if SA beat pak in last onedayers, i think Aus will still maintain the number one slo by beating the Kiwis before the WC.

Despite recent defeats, Australia remains firm fav's for WC.

Steulen · 12-02-2007, 05:58 AM

Not so sure about that fav tag now. Their heavy workload may have bitten them firmly in the gluteals with injuries to key players (Symonds, Ponting), running McGrath into the ground and even Mr. Cricket is looking like he feels a bit of volleyball would be nice for a change.

I'm officially going Saffies from now on.

Richard · 12-02-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steulen

There's not much to choose between them, imo. And they both lack a good spinner

Apart from that not really mattering too much, Hogg is at least better than Peterson-et-al.

shortpitched713 · 12-02-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steulen

And they both lack a good spinner

Hogg is nothing if not a good spinner. Besides being a clean striker of the ball that is.

Richard · 12-02-2007, 03:53 PM

He's nothing, then?

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Mr Mxyzptlk · 12-02-2007, 03:54 PM

Hogg is a good ODI spinner. I don't think there can be much question of that. And he's clearly the next best option to MacGill in Tests.

Regarding South Africa's mission at hand. They don't deserve the number spot until they beat Australia more consistently. They do have a pretty good record against Australia in ODIs, but Australia is still a superior team. South Africa has a bit to do to prove otherwise.

Richard · 12-02-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

Hogg is a good ODI spinner. I don't think there can be much question of that. And he's clearly the next best option to MacGill in Tests.

He's certainly not poor but IMO to describe him as "good" would be an exaggeration.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 12-02-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

He's certainly not poor but IMO to describe him as "good" would be an exaggeration.

A wrist spinner who averages 28.20 over 92 matches with an economy rate under 4.5 per over? That's pretty good.

Richard · 12-02-2007, 04:16 PM

Try taking out Bangladesh, Kenya and those four most recent games against Zimbabwe... makes quite a difference...

Then divide his record up into the 3 periods it does well when divided into...

Mr Mxyzptlk · 12-02-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Try taking out Bangladesh, Kenya and that one game against Zimbabwe... makes quite a difference...

32podd average and 4.6odd economy rate. Still enough to be called "good" by ODI standards. Especially if Vettori deserves to be called a matchwinner.

Richard · 12-02-2007, 04:33 PM

Enough to be called "not the worst who's ever played". Certainly not "good".

Not a patch on Vettori, absolutely certainly.

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Steulen International Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clydeside Cloggie Posts: 3,189	Not so sure about that fav tag now. Their heavy workload may have bitten them firmly in the gluteals with injuries to key players (Symonds, Ponting), running McGrath into the ground and even Mr. Cricket is looking like he feels a bit of volleyball would be nice for a change. I'm officially going Saffies from now on.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Enough to be called "not the worst who's ever played". Certainly not "good". Not a patch on Vettori, absolutely certainly.

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