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    You cannot say he is not a world class All-Rounder as he has spent a lot of time in the top 10 of the official ratings for both batting and bowling.
    He's never been in the top 10, and has only been in the top 40 in the last 2 years!
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    Originally posted by marc71178
    You cannot say he is not a world class All-Rounder as he has spent a lot of time in the top 10 of the official ratings for both batting and bowling.
    He's never been in the top 10, and has only been in the top 40 in the last 2 years!
    No...he has been in the top 10 for his bowling.

    And he has been in the Top 20 for the last 2 seasons as he only really started to belive in himself a few years ago, since then he's been conisistant with both bat and ball. Oh and one other thing, he would get into the NZ side as either a batsman or a bowler so I think he qualifies as an All-Rounder...thank you Marc...:frog:

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    No...he has been in the top 10 for his bowling.
    You said both, which was clearly wrong.

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    And he has been in the Top 20 for the last 2 seasons as he only really started to belive in himself a few years ago, since then he's been conisistant with both bat and ball.
    He was in the top 20 for 5 games.

    The reason it's a long time is because he's been injured for the majority of the past 2 years!


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    Oh and one other thing, he would get into the NZ side as either a batsman or a bowler so I think he qualifies as an All-Rounder...thank you Marc...:frog:
    Where would he bat then?

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    As I said marc he did make the New Zealand team last year as a Batsman only when he had a back injurey.


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    In my opinion, an all-rounder is somebody who can hold his place in the team for one disciple, either his batting or bowling, and contribute signifcantly for the other disciple. Examples of this: Pollock as a bowler who scores good runs, Cairns the same, Kallis a batsman who takes wickets.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    No...he has been in the top 10 for his bowling.
    You said both, which was clearly wrong.
    No I just didn't state which, so I corrected it with a later post.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    Oh and one other thing, he would get into the NZ side as either a batsman or a bowler so I think he qualifies as an All-Rounder...thank you Marc...:frog:
    Where would he bat then?
    Now Parore's out probably 5 or 6.

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    Now Parore's out probably 5 or 6.
    So which Batsman would miss out then?

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    Now Parore's out probably 5 or 6.
    So which Batsman would miss out then?
    That's the beuty of NZ, no one would have to

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    Parore is retired guys....

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    We know - that's what Rik said.

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    hey I thought we were supposed to be discussing the Aussie prospects???????

    I think for ODI's the ideal 5th / 6th bowling options should be a batsman that can bowl - not neccessarily to take wickets, but at least to tie down an end.

    I take this view because of not wanting to potentially weaken the batting line up with a bowler who bats, as they can be inconsitant - hence why I like 2 options for the 5th bowler. I also like to see them as being medium pacers who are accurate in line & length, so as to give the batsmen no pace on the ball to work with. This is another reason why I go for the bowling batsman, rather than the batting bowler.

    In this regard I like players like Astle, and McMillan b4 he tried to bowl quicker.

    I have no idea as to who fits this bill for Australia. I do not like Watson as the 5th option because he is a 'batting bowler' and of fast / med pace. I used to think that Symmonds was the option until he changed from bowling medium pace to spin and then forgot to score runs. Probably the best bet as a 5th / 6th option to fit my criteria is Bevan. I would share the 5th bowling with him and either Symonds (as medium pacer) or evan Harvey as a 'batting bowler', as they both bring more than 1 string to their bows with outstanding fielding. I do not think it is the responsibility of the 5th bowling option/s to win a match with either bat or ball, but to support the specialists in the team.

    IMO not only do NZ have too many 'all-rounders' in their team, but they are also 'batting bowlers' (Oram, Styris,Harris & Cairns) as opposed to 'bowling batters'
    (Astle, McMillan).





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