All time England ODI XI

Pratters · 28-01-2007, 05:10 AM

No English player seems to be making the all time ODI XI.. What would your All time England ODI XI be?

Mr Mxyzptlk · 28-01-2007, 05:33 AM

Gooch, Stewart, Fairbrother, Hick, Ealham, Gough. I'd have Mullally in there too. Names that come to mind immediately.

EDIT: Botham, Broad, DeFreitas - more names that just came to mind.

Flintoff, of course. Lots of bowlers there. Hmmm.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 28-01-2007, 05:37 AM

Willis, Dilley, Underwood, Marks (!), Lamb, Robin Smith, Trescothick, Pietersen.

And how could I forget Nick Knight!

Prince EWS · 28-01-2007, 05:38 AM

1. Nick Knight
2. Marcus Trescothick
3. Allan Lamb
4. Graeme Hick
5. Kevin Pietersen
6. Alec Stewart
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Ian Botham
9. John Emburey
10. Darren Gough
11. Alan Mullally

BoyBrumby · 28-01-2007, 05:41 AM

BBC's pre-empted us. Link here.

Their XI:

Graham Gooch
Marcus Trescothick
Robin Smith
Kevin Pietersen
Allan Lamb
Andrew Flintoff
Ian Botham
Alec Stewart
Darren Gough
Bob Willis
Derek Underwood

Mr Mxyzptlk · 28-01-2007, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

1. Nick Knight
2. Marcus Trescothick
3. Allan Lamb
4. Graeme Hick
5. Kevin Pietersen
6. Alec Stewart
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Ian Botham
9. John Emburey
10. Bob Willis
11. Alan Mullally

One questions whether Graeme Hick deserves his place ahead of Robin Smith.
And Gough is England's most success ODI bowler. How can he not be there?

Mr Mxyzptlk · 28-01-2007, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

BBC's pre-empted us. Link here.

Their XI:

Graham Gooch
Marcus Trescothick
Robin Smith
Kevin Pietersen
Allan Lamb
Andrew Flintoff
Ian Botham
Alec Stewart
Darren Gough
Bob Willis
Derek Underwood

No Nick Knight? A farce!

Prince EWS · 28-01-2007, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

One questions whether Graeme Hick deserves his place ahead of Robin Smith.
And Gough is England's most success ODI bowler. How can he not be there?

I can't believe I left Gough out. I had actually thought of him while putting the team together and somehow forgot to include him. I'll cut Willis for him.

Smith may have a slightly higher average than Hick, but Hick scored twice as many half centuries, one more century and scored his runs at a significantly quicker rate.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 28-01-2007, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

I can't believe I left Gough out. I had actually thought of him while putting the team together and somehow forgot to include him. I'll cut Willis for him.

Bob Willis - 80 wickets at 24.60 with an economy of 3.28.
He MUST be there. Emburey misses out IMO.

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Smith may have a slightly higher average than Hick, but Hick scored twice as many half centuries, one more century and scored his runs at a significantly quicker rate.

Given that Smith played a significant number less in terms of matches, I'd say his record is pretty much even pace with Hick. Also, Hick played the tail-end of his career in an era of higher batting SRs. The only reason I'd consider Hick ahead of Smith is his useful bowling.

Prince EWS · 28-01-2007, 06:03 AM

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Given that Smith played a significant number less in terms of matches, I'd say his record is pretty much even pace with Hick. Also, Hick played the tail-end of his career in an era of higher batting SRs. The only reason I'd consider Hick ahead of Smith is his useful bowling.

Yeah, it's a pretty even call. The fact that Hick played more matches shouldn't count against him a great deal though IMO - it means he had a more significant impact on the side.

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Bob Willis - 80 wickets at 24.60 with an economy of 3.28.
He MUST be there. Emburey misses out IMO.

I really wanted to include a spinner, and I didn't want to cut Mullally. Given Emburey is so inferior compared to the rest though, I guess we have no other options. So I'd agree.

Poker Boy · 28-01-2007, 07:16 AM

OK my all-time England ODI XI:
Gooch (captain)
Trescothick
Hick
Fairbrother
Pietersen
Stewart(WK)
Botham
Flintoff
De Freitas
Gough
Willis

Hick pips Smith on the basis of his bowling. IMO no spinner demands inclusion so you play to your strength and use Hick and/or KP to do the spinning (worked perfectly well for 80's Windies). Fairbrother is there as the nearest thing we had to a Bevan, as well as for his fielding. De Freitas might surprise but he's in our top four ODI wicket takers gives the team batting to No 9 and more athleticism in the field (remember you can't "hide" anyone in ODIs.) As for the captain it has to be the man under who we were favourites to win in '92 (and we've never said that about England before or since).

NZTailender · 28-01-2007, 07:33 AM

Knight
Trescothick
Gooch*
Hick
Fairbrother
Stewart+
Flintoff
Botham
Gough
Willis
Hendrick

Richard · 28-01-2007, 12:48 PM

For the umpteenth time...

70s\80s ODIs CANNOT BE EQUATED to 90s\2000s ones.

A 70s\80s XI:
Gooch
Amiss
Broad
Lamb
Gower (debatable)
Botham
Knott (wkt)
Old
Hendrick
Willis (c)
Underwood
Surprise surprise, mostly Test players...

And a 90s\2000s XI (much more interesting):
Trescothick
Knight
Hick (c)
Fairbrother
Stewart (wkt)
Pietersen
Flintoff
Caddick
Gough
Fraser
Mullally
Long tail, yes, but some serious bowlers in there. The captaincy, too, is a difficult thing - Stewart OOTQ with his wicketkeeping, Fairbrother OOTQ as he could never captain anyone without getting so stressed he pulled a hamstring twice a week, Trescothick... just no... Thorpe... read the same... Flintoff... hmm, I wonder now... and I don't pick a bowler as captain. Therefore Hick and Knight, reasonable county captains both, have a toss-up. I went for Hick because he's older than Knight.

PhoenixFire · 28-01-2007, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard

For the umpteenth time...

70s\80s ODIs CANNOT BE EQUATED to 90s\2000s ones.

A 70s\80s XI:
Gooch
Amiss
Broad
Smith
Fairbrother (just about qualifies)
Botham
Knott (wkt)
Old
Hendrick
Willis (c)
Underwood
Surprise surprise, mostly Test players...

And a 90s\2000s XI (much more interesting):
Trescothick
Knight
Hick (c)
Fairbrother
Stewart (wkt)
Thorpe
Flintoff
Caddick
Gough
Fraser
Mullally
Long tail, yes, but some serious bowlers in there. The captaincy, too, is a difficult thing - Stewart OOTQ with his wicketkeeping, Fairbrother OOTQ as he could never captain anyone without getting so stressed he pulled a hamstring twice a week, Trescothick... just no... Thorpe... read the same... Flintoff... hmm, I wonder now... and I don't pick a bowler as captain. Therefore Hick and Knight, reasonable county captains both, have a toss-up. I went for Hick because he's older than Knight.

Ever heard of Kevin Pietersen?

Saqqy Mush · 28-01-2007, 12:59 PM

May as well make a topic debating the top 10 tallest midgets in the history of Billy Smart's Big top Circus.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,585	BBC's pre-empted us. Link here. Their XI: Graham Gooch Marcus Trescothick Robin Smith Kevin Pietersen Allan Lamb Andrew Flintoff Ian Botham Alec Stewart Darren Gough Bob Willis Derek Underwood __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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Poker Boy State Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kilbirnie, Scotland Posts: 1,105	OK my all-time England ODI XI: Gooch (captain) Trescothick Hick Fairbrother Pietersen Stewart(WK) Botham Flintoff De Freitas Gough Willis Hick pips Smith on the basis of his bowling. IMO no spinner demands inclusion so you play to your strength and use Hick and/or KP to do the spinning (worked perfectly well for 80's Windies). Fairbrother is there as the nearest thing we had to a Bevan, as well as for his fielding. De Freitas might surprise but he's in our top four ODI wicket takers gives the team batting to No 9 and more athleticism in the field (remember you can't "hide" anyone in ODIs.) As for the captain it has to be the man under who we were favourites to win in '92 (and we've never said that about England before or since). __________________ Ian Botham, Freddie Flintoff, Kevin Pietersen, Brian Laudrup, Gazza and Daniela Hantuchova....a fan of you all FOREVER!!! Can't wait to see Australia field a crap leg-spinner like Hollland or Hohns again..... Congratulations to Daniela Hantuchova on her 3rd career title.... Bob Woolmer 1948-2007..farewell to the best coach England never had... Arise Sir Beefy.... Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb...

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