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    All time England ODI XI

    No English player seems to be making the all time ODI XI.. What would your All time England ODI XI be?

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    Gooch, Stewart, Fairbrother, Hick, Ealham, Gough. I'd have Mullally in there too. Names that come to mind immediately.

    EDIT: Botham, Broad, DeFreitas - more names that just came to mind.

    Flintoff, of course. Lots of bowlers there. Hmmm.
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    Willis, Dilley, Underwood, Marks (!), Lamb, Robin Smith, Trescothick, Pietersen.

    And how could I forget Nick Knight!

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    1. Nick Knight
    2. Marcus Trescothick
    3. Allan Lamb
    4. Graeme Hick
    5. Kevin Pietersen
    6. Alec Stewart
    7. Andrew Flintoff
    8. Ian Botham
    9. John Emburey
    10. Darren Gough
    11. Alan Mullally
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    BBC's pre-empted us. Link here.

    Their XI:

    Graham Gooch
    Marcus Trescothick
    Robin Smith
    Kevin Pietersen
    Allan Lamb
    Andrew Flintoff
    Ian Botham
    Alec Stewart
    Darren Gough
    Bob Willis
    Derek Underwood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    1. Nick Knight
    2. Marcus Trescothick
    3. Allan Lamb
    4. Graeme Hick
    5. Kevin Pietersen
    6. Alec Stewart
    7. Andrew Flintoff
    8. Ian Botham
    9. John Emburey
    10. Bob Willis
    11. Alan Mullally
    One questions whether Graeme Hick deserves his place ahead of Robin Smith.
    And Gough is England's most success ODI bowler. How can he not be there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    BBC's pre-empted us. Link here.

    Their XI:

    Graham Gooch
    Marcus Trescothick
    Robin Smith
    Kevin Pietersen
    Allan Lamb
    Andrew Flintoff
    Ian Botham
    Alec Stewart
    Darren Gough
    Bob Willis
    Derek Underwood
    No Nick Knight? A farce!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    One questions whether Graeme Hick deserves his place ahead of Robin Smith.
    And Gough is England's most success ODI bowler. How can he not be there?
    I can't believe I left Gough out. I had actually thought of him while putting the team together and somehow forgot to include him. I'll cut Willis for him.

    Smith may have a slightly higher average than Hick, but Hick scored twice as many half centuries, one more century and scored his runs at a significantly quicker rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I can't believe I left Gough out. I had actually thought of him while putting the team together and somehow forgot to include him. I'll cut Willis for him.
    Bob Willis - 80 wickets at 24.60 with an economy of 3.28.
    He MUST be there. Emburey misses out IMO.
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    Smith may have a slightly higher average than Hick, but Hick scored twice as many half centuries, one more century and scored his runs at a significantly quicker rate.
    Given that Smith played a significant number less in terms of matches, I'd say his record is pretty much even pace with Hick. Also, Hick played the tail-end of his career in an era of higher batting SRs. The only reason I'd consider Hick ahead of Smith is his useful bowling.

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    Given that Smith played a significant number less in terms of matches, I'd say his record is pretty much even pace with Hick. Also, Hick played the tail-end of his career in an era of higher batting SRs. The only reason I'd consider Hick ahead of Smith is his useful bowling.
    Yeah, it's a pretty even call. The fact that Hick played more matches shouldn't count against him a great deal though IMO - it means he had a more significant impact on the side.

    Bob Willis - 80 wickets at 24.60 with an economy of 3.28.
    He MUST be there. Emburey misses out IMO.
    I really wanted to include a spinner, and I didn't want to cut Mullally. Given Emburey is so inferior compared to the rest though, I guess we have no other options. So I'd agree.

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    OK my all-time England ODI XI:
    Gooch (captain)
    Trescothick
    Hick
    Fairbrother
    Pietersen
    Stewart(WK)
    Botham
    Flintoff
    De Freitas
    Gough
    Willis

    Hick pips Smith on the basis of his bowling. IMO no spinner demands inclusion so you play to your strength and use Hick and/or KP to do the spinning (worked perfectly well for 80's Windies). Fairbrother is there as the nearest thing we had to a Bevan, as well as for his fielding. De Freitas might surprise but he's in our top four ODI wicket takers gives the team batting to No 9 and more athleticism in the field (remember you can't "hide" anyone in ODIs.) As for the captain it has to be the man under who we were favourites to win in '92 (and we've never said that about England before or since).
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    Fairbrother
    Stewart+
    Flintoff
    Botham
    Gough
    Willis
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    For the umpteenth time...

    70s\80s ODIs CANNOT BE EQUATED to 90s\2000s ones.

    A 70s\80s XI:
    Gooch
    Amiss
    Broad
    Lamb
    Gower (debatable)
    Botham
    Knott (wkt)
    Old
    Hendrick
    Willis (c)
    Underwood
    Surprise surprise, mostly Test players...

    And a 90s\2000s XI (much more interesting):
    Trescothick
    Knight
    Hick (c)
    Fairbrother
    Stewart (wkt)
    Pietersen
    Flintoff
    Caddick
    Gough
    Fraser
    Mullally
    Long tail, yes, but some serious bowlers in there. The captaincy, too, is a difficult thing - Stewart OOTQ with his wicketkeeping, Fairbrother OOTQ as he could never captain anyone without getting so stressed he pulled a hamstring twice a week, Trescothick... just no... Thorpe... read the same... Flintoff... hmm, I wonder now... and I don't pick a bowler as captain. Therefore Hick and Knight, reasonable county captains both, have a toss-up. I went for Hick because he's older than Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    For the umpteenth time...

    70s\80s ODIs CANNOT BE EQUATED to 90s\2000s ones.

    A 70s\80s XI:
    Gooch
    Amiss
    Broad
    Smith
    Fairbrother (just about qualifies)
    Botham
    Knott (wkt)
    Old
    Hendrick
    Willis (c)
    Underwood
    Surprise surprise, mostly Test players...

    And a 90s\2000s XI (much more interesting):
    Trescothick
    Knight
    Hick (c)
    Fairbrother
    Stewart (wkt)
    Thorpe
    Flintoff
    Caddick
    Gough
    Fraser
    Mullally
    Long tail, yes, but some serious bowlers in there. The captaincy, too, is a difficult thing - Stewart OOTQ with his wicketkeeping, Fairbrother OOTQ as he could never captain anyone without getting so stressed he pulled a hamstring twice a week, Trescothick... just no... Thorpe... read the same... Flintoff... hmm, I wonder now... and I don't pick a bowler as captain. Therefore Hick and Knight, reasonable county captains both, have a toss-up. I went for Hick because he's older than Knight.
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