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*Official* Australia A vs England

aussie_beater

State Vice-Captain
Originally posted by anzac
...as the bowling is more of a problem for England than the batting is at the moment!!!!
You can't be serious..... being bowled out for 70 odd runs, doesn't look too good on a batting lineup, does it ?

Yes, I agree that England has problems with its bowling which are larger then its batting woes but there is very less that England can do to get over it...I mean, what are the options available with Jones gone home ?

I am not sure why England is so stuck up with this all rounder concept.... it made a world of difference when Beefy was around, but let's accept it....he was one of a kind.So by strengthening the batting by including Key, if England can manage to draw a match or two then they would have gained the confidence back and put up a good fight in the last one or two matches.


[Edited on 17/11/2002 by aussie_beater]
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
I like that team Neil, but it's obvious that if they did this Caddick and Hoggard would collide going for a catch in the 1st Over and rule each other out of the Test.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Originally posted by anzac
Rik - I know where you're coming from & your frustrations - I copped a bit of stick from the 'terrace element' a few months ago re the India / Pakistan thing that shall not be mentioned further!!!!!

All I can say is dazzle them with the brilliance and baffle them with the b/s - but try not to let them drag you off the topic of the thread mate......

(and for the record I'm not an Aussie.....but I'm happy to be here and admire their great team!!!!)

As for Marty Love - yep he's got to be at the top of the list along with Maher, so long as their form continues. Another player in this list is Clarke. The player to be replaced is S Waugh whom I think will announce his retirement at the end of this Ashes series. Other contenders are Lehman with Langer as a dark horse. Love / Maher could get their chance in the series either thru injury, or if the series is won after game 3 & Steve / Lehman has not produced with the bat!!!!!

;););)
Ta for the advise mate...but whats a b/s? :D:lol:
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Let's drop that line of conversation...

England's Third Seamer
Harmison, Silverwood or Tudor?

Hope it's Harmison, but something inside me says that it's going to be Tudor. Can't think why...
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
Originally posted by Neil Pickup
Let's drop that line of conversation...

England's Third Seamer
Harmison, Silverwood or Tudor?

Hope it's Harmison, but something inside me says that it's going to be Tudor. Can't think why...
Maybe its the fact that they didn't play Sliverwood so he's out of the recconing next 2 Tests unless more Injuries take place and Tudor did better than Harmison in the latest FC game...not much better but he got a wicket...oh and that there is no one else to pick other than those 2...
 

Bazza

International 12th Man
Well Tudor has performed in the past against Australia, both home and away so that should count in his favour, even if he hasn't been bowling well. I still think he has something to offer - more than Harmison (20-odd wides?). Silverwood = :(
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
How about Flintoff as third seamer?

That would give
Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Hussain
Key
Crawley
Stewart
Flintoff
Giles
Caddick
Hoggard
 

Rich2001

International Captain
Originally posted by Rik
Originally posted by Neil Pickup

England's Third Seamer
Harmison, Silverwood or Tudor?

Hope it's Harmison, but something inside me says that it's going to be Tudor. Can't think why...
Maybe its the fact that they didn't play Sliverwood so he's out of the recconing next 2 Tests unless more Injuries take place and Tudor did better than Harmison in the latest FC game...
It wasn't that England didn't want to play Sliverwood, they made every effort possible, but when the guy only just got of a 27 hour flight and had been in Australia for a day maybe less (i think) ment there was noway he would have been ready for the game.
 

Top_Cat

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England's Third Seamer
Harmison, Silverwood or Tudor?

Hope it's Harmison, but something inside me says that it's going to be Tudor. Can't think why...
It surely can't be Harmison. He simply didn't bowl very well against Aust A. Too much short stuff outside off-stump. Guys like Hayden, Lehmenn, Ponting and Martyn will absolutely pumell him. If I were to make a decision, I'd say Tudor bowled the best on the weekend but to take a risk, putting Silverwood in wouldn't be such a bad idea either.

But Flintoff; no way. He didn't bowl well at all, not because he's crapola either. I reckon he's still quite injured. Playing him a Test would be about as smart as it was to bring Gough along in the first place.

And I dunno about Key. To short-of-a-length deliveries outside off-stump, he plays at them and gets very catchable nicks to second and third slip. Guys like Gillespie and McGrath will eat him up. Having said that, he's one of the few English batsmen to show some fight so in that sense I like the look of him. Who would you drop, though? White is doing JUST enough to hold on.
 

The Argonaut

State Vice-Captain
Now for a detailed critique of the Aus A vs England game. First the Aus A side

Elliott was unfortunate to get a lifter on the first ball of the game and then didn't really take any further part except to drop 3 catches. The one I loved was when he turned away before the ball got to him and it hit him on the thigh on the full.

Maher will be kicking himself for missing out but got a good one from Tudor. His captaincy in the field was excellent.

Love is the next in line to make the side. he just has to stay in form so that he's ready when the time comes. I suspect that if Steve Waugh is not successful before the end of the 3rd test then he may go.

Clarke and North looked very promising and batted well. Clarke looked better though North played an excellent reverse sweep.

Blewett is gone as a test player and shouldn't be picked for these games any more. Sorry GB. The English bowlers quickly exploited the major weakness in his game and bowled him.

Haddin showed that if he isn't a test wicket keepers armpit by having an untidy performance with the gloves. Thank god he can bat. I know it was a hard pitch but he should have come up closer to better negotiate the low bounce.

Noffke was pure class with the ball and will play for Australia down the track.

Clark may be the guy to take over from McGrath. I was impressed with his accurate line especially in the first innings.

Williams was good but lucky to get a couple of those lbws which looked to be sliding down the leg side. he's certainly the next in line after Lee and Bichel.

Hauritz was fair on a pitch that didn't suit him. Look for him in 2-3 years. He's still very young.

The English side was good and bad.

Trescothick and Vaughan didn't get amongst the runs but have shown their class before. Trescothick though seems to be too tense and worried about his form. the pressure might be getting to him.

Butcher needs to concentrate better once he gets in that 20-30-40 area and get bigger scores. Still impressive.

Key was a surprise. Lucky to get his score in the first innings after being dropped on 5 and caught behind off a no ball but really went on in the second innings. Must be picked at the top of his form for the 2nd test. I don't care who they drop. I like the idea above where teh all rounder goes.

Crawley lacks the technique to be a great test batsman but makes up for it with ticker. Showed plenty of fighting spirit in both innings but needs someone to stay with him. A sad statement considering he bats at 5.

White, not a good enough batsman or bowler to be a good all rounder. Bowled very badly on Friday.

Flintoff - not fit enough to consider. Bowling was particularly poor and didn't hang around long enough to rate him as a batsman.

Dawson - wasn't too bad, showed good flight, wasn't a spinning pitch so tried hard.

Tudor - will probably play in teh 2nd test as he was the best bowler for England on Friday. Certainly has lost pace and thus needs to put the ball in the right spot more.

Harmison - still hampered by injury as he didn't appear to be as quick as Hussain suggested he would be at the beginning of the tour. Bowled too short outside off stump and got hammered. Unless he is fully fit and bowls flat out, it's not much use picking him.

Foster - tidy work behind the stumps, not that he got to take many. Batting not his strong point but we all knew that.

I was lucky to see most of the match and England has its problems. My side for the 2nd test would be

Trescothick, Vaughan, Butcher, Hussain, key, Crawley, Stewart, Giles, Tudor, Caddick, Hoggard
 

Bazza

International 12th Man
I understand why you reached that conclusion but we will never bowl the Aussies out with Caddick, Hoggard, White and Giles, as we proved in the first test.
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Flintoff and Giles out for 2nd & 3rd Tests

Leaves Dawson as an automatic, and White, Tudor, Harmison and Silverwood fighting for fourth bowler.

It will be Tudor.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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I'm afraid Giles is out so it'll have to be Dawson if there's a specialist spin option. I think he got hit by Harmison in the nets. It's amazing the range of ways they're getting injured!
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Personally I'd go in with an attack of Caddick, Harmison and Hoggard, with Dawson

4th Seamer can be mixed up by Butcher and Trescothick as I don't think 4 will be needed that much, and Vaughan as a back up spinner.
 

The Argonaut

State Vice-Captain
Hussain reckons he's going to have his bowlers bounce Hayden. He will need Harmison to achieve this with his extra pace. It is a tactic that may work as Hayden can be ****y on the pull and hook shots. However it could also be very expensive for them.

Personally I would pick Tudor and try to get him out by bowling a consistent line and length just outside off stump. It's not that hard to do, is it?

I would up the ante and pick 4 bowlers only. Get up Caddick and try and fire him up. He's the head bowler and needs to lead by example. If he can't be motivated to bowl a good spell early he shouldn't be playing test cricket. The Aussies think he doesn't have the temperament to play quality cricket against them so he needs to prove them wrong.

4 bowlers should be enough especially when one is in the top ten and another (Hoggard) is on the edge of the top ten. They must have bowled opponents out before to get these high rankings.

Trescothick and Vaughan haven't bowled on tour so far so Butcher may have to bowl a lot of overs. So will Dawson but I think he'll go all right.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
4 bowlers should be enough especially when one is in the top ten and another (Hoggard) is on the edge of the top ten.
He's dropped to 20th in the rankings released yesterday - don't know what's wrong with him, keeps underperforming!
 

Bazza

International 12th Man
Or maybe he was overperforming last year and got overhyped - he has not bowled well all summer that I can remember...
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Give him a chance. He's shown the talent and I'm sure he'll come around. In the words of George Michael, 'Gotta have faith!'
 

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