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    Indian test batting lineup

    Ok, it's well known that Indian batsmen struggle against swing and seam but that's something I think needs to be addressed at a grassroots level and on a more long trem basis.
    But what's more pressing is the fact that the current players in the Indian batting lineup have shown little resolve or positive intent when their backs have been pressed to a
    wall or the opposition in a period of play gains the upper hand.

    Consider this:
    1) Last day at Bangalore 2005 - India batted thru the first session fairly comfortably but when Sehwag was dismissed, the rest of the players when into their shell, played for time and in the process got humbled.
    2) Karachi 2006 - Again a complete shambles and no-one was able to grit it out when the going got tough. No-one had the gumption to play an innings like Kamran Akmal produced.
    3) Mumbai 2006 - England had the upper hand going into the final day but for India to capitulate the way they did (they were bolwed out in a ridiculously low number of overs) was disgraceful.
    4) Cape Town 2007 - The icing on the cake. India were what 2-90 in their 2nd dig with a 40 run lead from the first innings and got bowled out for 160 odd.
    Its pitiful that Dinesh Karthik was able to score so freely in the 2nd innings and none of the major batsmen were able to do so especially against Paul Harris. Guys like Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid have given Warne grief and yet Harris was too good for them !
    Head should roll after this.......

    Its patently obvious that the likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Laxman and Ganguly have been dining out for too long on past reputations
    Tendulkar has to retire after the WC imho - for his sake and India's. I hate to say this but it is painful to watch Tendulkar bat these days.
    Ditto Ganguly - I respect Ganguly as one of the better captains India had but he turns 35 in July and I think his time is up.
    Sehwag needs to be dropped to show that he doesn't have a right to a position in the team.
    Laxman needs to be put on notice that he needs to perform with a greater level of consistency.

    India don't have a great deal of middle order options but my test batting lineup for Bangladesh/England would be something like:
    Jaffer
    Gambhir/Uthappa
    Dravid
    Laxman
    Badrinath
    Kaif
    Dhoni/DK

    Kaif especially needs a proper run of a few uninterrupted tests to see what he's capable of. I can't believe India dumped him when he averages 63 over his last 5 tests and actually made runs under pressure against a strong Aussie aattack in 2004/2005 and probably saved India from defeat against England at Nagpur in 2006.
    The fact he can make runs in tough situations is a big plus point for him


    Thoughts ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaiMurugan
    Tendulkar has to retire after the WC imho - for his sake and India's. I hate to say this but it is painful to watch Tendulkar bat these days.
    He showed positive signs in the first two tests in South Africa but he does need to start scoring big runs. England should be his last chance.
    Quote Originally Posted by JaiMurugan
    Ditto Ganguly - I respect Ganguly as one of the better captains India had but he turns 35 in July and I think his time is up.
    A year late? That would be appropriate back when he was dropped but he was quite impressive in this series.
    Quote Originally Posted by JaiMurugan
    Sehwag needs to be dropped to show that he doesn't have a right to a position in the team.
    Yes. As good as his record may be, I don't want Sehwag in the side until he can stop being an idiot against the new ball. Jaffer-Gambhir against England.
    Quote Originally Posted by JaiMurugan
    Laxman needs to be put on notice that he needs to perform with a greater level of consistency.
    He too showed positive signs in South Africa, but yes he does. In fact, everyone needs to be put on notice at all times. Even if you perform well, you have to keep doing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by JaiMurugan
    Kaif especially needs a proper run of a few uninterrupted tests to see what he's capable of. I can't believe India dumped him when he averages 63 over his last 5 tests and actually made runs under pressure against a strong Aussie aattack in 2004/2005 and probably saved India from defeat against England at Nagpur in 2006.
    The fact he can make runs in tough situations is a big plus point for him.
    Kaif has definitely been treated like crap in the test side, but he shouldn't be in the team right now. Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly need to score big in England and Yuvraj needs to prove himself as a test-class batsman. If that doesn't happen, it's time to look at Kaif, Raina, Badrinath, Venugopal, ... new options.

    Jaffer, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly, Karthik, Kumble, Zaheer, Sreesanth, Munaf (subject to fitness)
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    That line-up is about as likely to get us quaking in our boots as any Indian team since 1971 IMO.
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    Tendulkar to have a huge World Cup in 3...2...a couple months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adharcric View Post
    Jaffer, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly, Karthik, Kumble, Zaheer, Sreesanth, Munaf (subject to fitness)
    No Yuvraj? I'd probably have both Dhoni and Yuvraj. English wickets tend to be decent for batting these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    No Yuvraj? I'd probably have both Dhoni and Yuvraj. English wickets tend to be decent for batting these days.
    I can see Flintoff causing Yuvraj problems with reverse swing from around the wicket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    No Yuvraj? I'd probably have both Dhoni and Yuvraj. English wickets tend to be decent for batting these days.
    Let's see. Ganguly will be ahead of Yuvraj to start with IMO. Karthik is a strong bet as well.
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    I can see Flintoff causing Yuvraj problems with reverse swing from around the wicket.
    Possibly. Yuvraj's problem in test cricket has traditionally been a tendency to drive expansively outside off too much but he probably hasn't faced quality reverse swing before.

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    Or quality conventional-swing, for that matter.

    And for the batsman, quality swing is the same whether it's conventional or reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    English wickets tend to be decent for batting these days.
    It depends. Certainly there are far more flat ones than there used to be, but in the last couple of seasons there have been a few more that have offered a bit. Not to mention that there have never ceased to be a few that befriend anyone who picks-up a ball (Trent Bridge and Headingley 2003, Lord's 2005, Old Trafford 2006).

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    No Yuvraj? I'd probably have both Dhoni and Yuvraj. English wickets tend to be decent for batting these days.
    You'd have Dhoni over Karthick? Really?

    That quite surprises me actually.
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    Personally Karthik has much the better case but I'd be very, very surprised if Dhoni doesn't start India's next Test.

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    I'd be slightly surprised if Karthik donned the gloves in the next test. The management has made their affinity for Dhoni clear but they obviously rate Karthik highly as well.



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