Pick TWO final Bowlers for the 1920-39 World XI

[aussie tragic]

Please pick two final bowlers for the 1920-39 World XI to partner Larwood and O'Reilly (Poll is open for 4-days)

Allrounders

Gubby Allen (Eng): 22 tests, 76 wkts @ 28.60 (5/1), Econ 3.16, SR 54.1, BB 7-80 --- 656 runs @ 25.23
Jack Gregory (Aus): 24 tests, 85 wkts @ 31.15 (4/0), Econ 2.84, SR 65.6, BB 7-69 --- 1146 runs @ 36.96
Maurice Tate (Eng): 39 tests, 155 wkts @ 26.16 (7/1), Econ 1.94, SR 80.7, BB 6-42 --- 1198 runs @ 25.48
Morris Nichols (Eng): 14 tests, 41 wkts @ 28.09 (2/0), Econ 2.69, SR 62.5, BB 6-35 --- 355 runs @ 29.58

Pace Bowlers

Bill Bowes (Eng): 14 tests, 67 wkts @ 21.58 (6/0), Econ 2.49, SR 51.9, BB 6-33 --- 26 runs @ 5.20
Manny Martindale (WI): 10 tests, 37 wkts @ 21.72 (3/0), Econ 3.00, SR 43.4, BB 5-22 --- 58 runs @ 5.27
Amar Singh (Ind): 7 tests, 28 wkts @ 30.64 (2/0), Econ 2.35, SR 77.9, BB 7-86 --- 293 runs @ 22.46
Bill Voce (Eng): 24 tests, 97 wkts @ 26.04 (3/2), Econ 2.57, SR 64.8, BB 7-70 --- 289 runs @ 14.45

Spinners

Clarrie Grimmett (Aus): 37 tests, 216 wkts @ 24.21 (21/7), Econ 2.16, SR 67.1, BB 7-40 --- 557 runs @ 13.92
Hedley Verity (Eng): 40 tests, 144 wkts @ 24.37 (5/2), Econ 1.88, SR 77.5, BB 8-43 --- 669 runs @ 20.90
Bert Ironmonger (Aus): 14 tests, 74 wkts @ 17.97 (4/2), Econ 1.69, SR 63.4, BB 7-23 --- 42 runs @ 2.62



The 1920-39 World Test XI so far:

1. Jack Hobbs (56.63)
2. Herb Sutcliffe (60.73)
3. Don Bradman (97.94)
4. Wally Hammond (61.45) and (Bowl: 37.77)
5. George Headley (66.75)
6. Stan McCabe (48.21)
7. Les Ames (43.40)
8.
9. Harold Larwood (19.40) and (Bowl: 28.35)
10.
11. Bill O'Reilly (12.81) and (Bowl: 23.68)

 

[Jamee999]

Martindale and Ironmonger

 

[aussie tragic]

As there appears to be enough batting (Larwood at # 8 is okay), while Hammond could easily fill the 3rd pacer role, I'm thinking Voce and Grimmett.

Bit tough on Gregory & Tate though so I'll think about it a bit more....

 

[silentstriker]

Amar Singh and Bill Voce.

 

[oz_fan]

I went with Gregory and Grimmett

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Grimmett and Verity.

 

[chaminda_00]

Grimmett and Verity.

None of the seamers are anything special

 

[JBH001]

You do realise that voting Grimmett and Verity would only leave one new ball bowler in Harold Larwood? Hammond, at best, can fill the 3rd change role. He is not an opening bowler - not compared to the others at any rate.

Sorry to pick you up again mate (I am not trying to find fault ), but the innings that Bradman told his team-mates to come and watch was during the 1938 tour of England. The innings you speak of in Sth Afr was a series in which Bradman stayed in Aust. to recover from appendicitis (spelling) after the 1934 trip to England

Cheers Archie and Sean. You are right - I did get my innings confused.

I still do not rate McCabe all that high though, and think the team would have been better served with Gregory at #6, especially as we have the equivelant of 2 batsmen in the Don.

Ah well.

 

[ripper868]

Gregory and grimmet

 

[JBH001]

After some thought, decided to go for the 2 left armers.

Voce to partner Larwood, and Ironmonger to partner O'Reilly.

Btw, AT. Voce's figures are incorrect. They are 27 test/98 wkts @27.38.

 

[aussie tragic]

Btw, AT. Voce's figures are incorrect. They are 27 test/98 wkts @27.38.

Umm.....no they're not. All stats are for the period 1920-39 only and Voce played 3 tests after WWII where he only took 1 wkt.

btw, this is also why the Don "only" has a 97.94 average instead of his legendary 99.94

 

[Anil]

grimmett and voce...two quality pace bowlers and two classy spinners with hammond to back them up, that's pretty good attack by any standards...

 

[bagapath]

i've gone for grimmett and tate. and regret not voting for gregory

 

[Perm]

I went for Grimett and Verity.

 

[aussie tragic]

Grimmett and Verity.

Grimmett and Verity.

I went for Grimett and Verity.

So why do you want three spinners?

 

[chaminda_00]

So why do you want three spinners?

You want guys who are going to take 20 wickets i can't Voce or anyone of the seamers taking any wickets against the batting line up that they will face. They are just going to be cannon flodder. It would be nice to have two opening bowlers, but if they got next to no chance of taking many wickets, whats the point to picking them. You might as well let Hammond take the shine of the new bowl and ball spinners all day. Also O'Reilly would be as fast as a lot of these seamers anyway, he could open the bowling, bowling leg cutters.

 

[aussie tragic]

You want guys who are going to take 20 wickets i can't Voce or anyone of the seamers taking any wickets against the batting line up that they will face. They are just going to be cannon flodder.

If they would be cannon fodder, how come Gregory is rated ICC # 1 or # 2 bowler between 1922-28, while Tate is ICC # 1 or # 2 between 1925-34?

 

[chaminda_00]

If they would be cannon fodder, how come Gregory is rated ICC # 1 or # 2 bowler between 1922-28, while Tate is ICC # 1 or # 2 between 1925-34?

Using ICC ratings as a guide, you just hit the bottom of the barrell there.

Do you honestly think any of them would be able to knock over the post WW2 batsmen regularly?

 

[aussie tragic]

Using ICC ratings as a guide, you just hit the bottom of the barrell there.

Do you honestly think any of them would be able to knock over the post WW2 batsmen regularly?

They couldn't be any worse than the current lot (McGrath excluded as he's retired)......

Anyway, good too see Voce creeping ahead of Verity so that he can partner Larwood

 

[aussie tragic]

Captain of 1920-38 World XI is being done in the Main Era selection thread (it's between Bradman & Hammond)

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=1048423&postcount=631