Is Moeen Ali potential England material ?

[Pothas]

What does a 'specialist in a true sense' actually mean?

 

[Pratters]

A specialist bowler I would say is some one who can give you consistently good overs day in and day out. When some one is a part timer, like say Hooper, he will be able to give a few overs properly but if you bowl him a lot, you won't get the same level of performance. Moeen is neither at a part timer or a specialist level, so it's difficult to categorise him.

 

[cpr]

I can't think of any other spinner being in the England test line-up for a half decent period. Scott Borthwick had one go & Adil Rashid played the tests in the UAE, but that's it, not?

Kerrigan had a few overs too

 

[AndrewB]

I can't think of any other spinner being in the England test line-up for a half decent period. Scott Borthwick had one go & Adil Rashid played the tests in the UAE, but that's it, not?

Tredwell and Patel also played 1 Test each. Root actually has the second most wickets for an England spinner since Panesar and Swann last played.

 

[Stapel]

Kerrigan had a few overs too

Tredwell and Patel also played 1 Test each. Root actually has the second most wickets for an England spinner since Panesar and Swann last played.

Swann's last Test was the 3rd Ashes Test in 13/14. Panesar played the 4th (yup, he did, checked it 5 times now), Borthwick the 5th. After that, it was Moeen in every single Test, not?

 

[Stace]

He's really improved as ODI bowler too, he's reading the batsman/game very well and contains better in ODI's then Test's I believe.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Swann's last Test was the 3rd Ashes Test in 13/14. Panesar played the 4th (yup, he did, checked it 5 times now), Borthwick the 5th. After that, it was Moeen in every single Test, not?

Apart from first test in WI when it was Tredders as Mo got injured in World Cup. We did that great thing though of rushing back a half fit player and he stank the place out through no fault of his own.

 

[grecian]

In 30 years everyone is going to be sitting around discussing Moeen 'No Rounder' Ali based on his stats, and we're going to have the "NO HE'S A PROPER BOWLER DAMMIT" argument all over again. For eternity.

I've given up mate,, but you got the quote wrong.

When great posters like Fredfertang persist in a Richard-like fallacy of being lucky fortunate over20 Tests you just realise it will carry on forever.

Love cricinfo commemts, everytime he bowls a bad spell, it's "why isn't Rashid playing", "maybe we need Tredwell he's steady like Compton is in batting" "Joe Root will do well here get him on", just look at the commentary it was all there, I probably haven't the quotes quite right. Why do they keep putting these comments up. When Adil was bowling, it was all "oh well he's a legspinner he's allowed to bowl rubbish".

BTW why has that last type of comment become so ubiquitous, is it Warne himself lying about his own career like he was some kind of derring-do adventurer with a different type of ball every delivery? The fact it's nonsense, when batsmen were well set, Warne bowled accurate leg-spinners to a defensive field, he and McGrath strangled batsmen brilliantly, oh when he'd made the break-thoughs he'd get more expansive, but in the end his nagging accuracy was his thing, combined with his psychology of talking about all his new types of delivery before every series which the England bats seemed to buy into the thick ****ers.

Also Anil Kumble the next best leg-spinner of recent times, not really known for bowling four balls, could someone tell me who these successful leg-spinners that bowl countless buffet balls between brilliance are? Maybe Abdul Qadir, but that was awhile ago.

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah Warne's brilliance was his accuracy, 100% agree there. Ian Healy said as much during his wicket keeping stuff during the Ashes.

 

[grecian]

Oh and BTW all this "he only gets wicket because people go after him" twaddle, could easily read he only gets smashed because people go after him, I mean ABDV's first four against him was a reverse-sweep off a decent ball I think.

 

[Stapel]

Oh and BTW all this "he only gets wicket because people go after him" twaddle, could easily read he only gets smashed because people go after him, I mean ABDV's first four against him was a reverse-sweep off a decent ball I think.

TBF, many of us said he has benefitted from being gone after. Not really the same as 'only because'.

Anyway, it's only fair to conclude he is simply a better bowler than I was thinking or expecting a year ago.