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  • Bill Brown

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  • Herbie Collins

    1 2.94%
  • Jack Fingleton

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  • Jack Hobbs

    30 88.24%
  • Bruce Mitchell

    0 0%
  • Bill Ponsford

    6 17.65%
  • Herb Sutcliffe

    29 85.29%
  • Bill Woodfull

    1 2.94%
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    Pick Two Openers for the 1920-39 World Test XI

    Okay, it’s now time for the pre-war players to shine…..

    Please select TWO openers for the 1920-39 World Test XI:

    Bill Brown (Aus): 16 tests, 1324 runs @ 49.03 (4/7), HS 206*, 8 catches
    Herbie Collins (Aus): 19 tests, 1352 runs @ 45.06, (4/6), HS 203, 13 catches
    Jack Fingleton (Aus): 18 tests, 1189 runs @ 42.46 (5/3), HS 136, 13 catches
    Jack Hobbs (Eng): 33 tests, 2945 runs @ 56.63 (10/12), HS 211, 8 catches
    Bruce Mitchell (SA): 32 tests, 2399 runs @ 45.26, (8/15), HS 164*, 44 catches --- 24 wkts @ 49.95
    Bill Ponsford (Aus): 29 tests, 2122 runs @ 48.22 (7/6), HS 266, 21 catches
    Herb Sutcliffe (Eng): 54 tests, 4555 runs @ 60.73, (16/23), HS 194, 23 catches
    Bill Woodfull (Aus): 35 tests, 2300 runs @ 46.00, (7/13), HS 161, 7 catches

    The 1929-39 World Test XI so far:

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    3. Don Bradman {37 tests, 5093 runs @ 97.94 (21/8), HS 334, 21 catches}
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    Hobbs and Sutcliffe by light-years.

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    Obvious. Start the next one already.
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    Yep, this is almost as much of a gimme as The Don at no.3.

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    Even 4 and 5 are obvious to me: Hammond and Headley. 6 is open for debate though.

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    Hobbs and Sutcliffe comfortably - the only reservation I have about voting for Hobbs is whether I'd prefer him in the pre-WW1 team...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Hobbs and Sutcliffe comfortably - the only reservation I have about voting for Hobbs is whether I'd prefer him in the pre-WW1 team...
    Nah mate, put him in this one so we can get both Grace AND Trumper in the other team!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adharcric View Post
    Even 4 and 5 are obvious to me: Hammond and Headley. 6 is open for debate though.
    Good call.

    The quality of the very best in this era is at least equal to Post WWII, but the depth of talent certainly isn't! Which makes sense, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    Nah mate, put him in this one so we can get both Grace AND Trumper in the other team!
    Yeah, but they'll be in regardless of where we have to slot them in - and including Hobbs here means I can't through Bill Woodfull a vote. Still done is done - if I could recast my vote (having consulted Stats Spider and its excellent runs per year and average by year charts! ) I'd vote Sutcliffe and Woodfull, with the proviso that I'd be voting for Hobbs in the pre-WWI team...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Hobbs and Sutcliffe comfortably - the only reservation I have about voting for Hobbs is whether I'd prefer him in the pre-WW1 team...
    Hobbs played more tests in this era (33 tests) than in pre-1914 (28 tests), but yet again we've split the career of one of the games greats in half (same as Imran, Hadlee & Sobers)

    btw, if Hobbs did miss out here , he would be in the pre-1914 selection as well

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    True, but I'd say the pitches he played on were slightly worse before the war, and the depth of player being pushed out between the wars is slightly higher than if he were included pre-war. I'm pretty certain I've read a few quotes saying that he wasn't the same batsman after the war (although obviously gained enough in experience etc to comfortably maintain an extraordinary average and be regarded as the best going around)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Yeah, but they'll be in regardless of where we have to slot them in - and including Hobbs here means I can't through Bill Woodfull a vote. Still done is done - if I could recast my vote (having consulted Stats Spider and its excellent runs per year and average by year charts! ) I'd vote Sutcliffe and Woodfull, with the proviso that I'd be voting for Hobbs in the pre-WWI team...
    Fair enough - Trumper could always slot into the middle order anyway (and surprisingly had a much better average there than in his usual position of opener).

    Still, just can't split Hobbs and Sutcliffe up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    True, but I'd say the pitches he played on were slightly worse before the war, and the depth of player being pushed out between the wars is slightly higher than if he were included pre-war. I'm pretty certain I've read a few quotes saying that he wasn't the same batsman after the war (although obviously gained enough in experience etc to comfortably maintain an extraordinary average and be regarded as the best going around)
    Hobbs himself believes he was twice the player before WWI as after, which I suppose can also be put down to age, and the fact that he became a much more careful and efficient player after the war, rather than the dazzling strokeplayer he often was before.

    And the fact that his average before the war matches his post-war average, despite vastly inferior pitches and batting conditions, is quite remarkable. It was said by more than one person who saw him in action words to the effect that "There was only one greater batsman than the post-war Jack Hobbs, and that was the pre-war Jack Hobbs."

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    Walkover, Hobbs and Sutcliffe. Still some very fine openers in the list though.
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