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Should the Ashes Return to the Winning Nation?

Should the Ashes Return to the Winning Nation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 52.6%
  • No

    Votes: 18 47.4%

  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .

Poker Boy

State Vice-Captain
Yes - and then in 2009 the England players should be taken to the musem at Lords shown the blank space the urn used to be in and swear "we WILL get it back"
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Yes - and then in 2009 the England players should be taken to the musem at Lords shown the blank space the urn used to be in and swear "we WILL get it back"
They'd be motivated much more if it was a matter of life and death.
 

James90

Cricketer Of The Year
There's already the crystal trophy that gets passed around between teams, that's enough. The urn was a gift and is owned by the MCC. For once keep tradition, the urn belongs at Lords. We've survived the rest of our lives without it in the country I don't see why it's so important that it stays on our soil. It's the thought that counts.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
It's a myth that all other trophies are kept by their winners. At the Wimbledon Tennis Championships the only time the winner sees the trophy is when it's presented and at the Winner's Ball, the rest of the time it remains in the museum. They win a tournament, not a trophy. It's the same with the Ashes, they win a series known as the Ashes, not the Urn.
 

Stumped

Banned
I was reading the Daily Telegraph today and came across this article writen by Simon Benson. If your not going to read it read the bits in bold, the bits in italics are a must read.

Daily Telegraph:

They have been forced to hand over Aboriginal relics and face ongoing campaign to surender the Elgin Marbles. But they won't give back The Ashes. Why?
Who knows. It could just be that the English are just being English.
The Ashes don't belong to anyone, person, club or museum, and they certainly don't belong at Lord's. They belong to cricket. Like every other artefact British cultural missionaries have been purloined the poms should give them back.
Who cares if the 125-year-old Ashes urn probably contatins just the remains of a cindered dolly? The English have no legitimate claim to what become spoting symbol between two nations-especially now that they can't even play the game.
Former English captain Ian Botham, man so smart he has had hair removed from his buttocks and placed on his head, agrees.
Mysteriously, British airline magnate Richard Branson also supports the return of The Ashes.
Many English cricket fans now support the Australian cause to have The Ashes held by the winning team. Many are so ashamed to be English they pretend to br from New Zealand which, odly they believe is better.
The most notable execption is that embodiment of English pomposity, the Marylebone Cricket Club, which locks away The Ashes execpt for extremely rare journeys to Asutralia, the country that usually wins them. The MCC claims to be the home of cricket, which explains why is as an archery display on its hompage.
Yesterday it issued a statment mixed with the club's typical flai for nonsense and myth on why the MCC will not allow Australia to take posession of The Ashes.

MCC Claim No.1: " As tens of thousands of visitors to the MCC Travelex Ashes Exhibition now , the urn was never intended to be the trophy for thecricket series, and has never changed ahnds between the two countries." The only reason that people know this is because MCC tells them so. And even if it is true, so what? It's sponsor travelex. (What is Travelex anyway? An inoculation agasin visiting Englishmen?)
MCC Claim No.2: "The Waterford crystal MCC ashes Trophy which has stood as the perpetual trophy for the contest since 1999 will be presented at the end of the current Test and will remain in Astrualia until the next Ashes Series." The MCC doesn't realise this claim sabotages the first. If The Ashes urn was never intended to be a trophy then why is the Waterford Crystal trophy named The Ashes?
MCC Claim No.3: "It was a private gift to English captain Ivo Bligh in 1883 which he kept in his home untl he died. To him and his wife Florence Morphy, an Australian the urnrepresented their meeting, romance and subsequent marraige." Says who? Revisionust MCC historians probably as old as the urn itself:
MCC Claim No.4: "It was Ivo's whish tat is be bequeathed to the MCC and Florence carried out that last whish, giving the urn to the MCC in 1927." Ivo believed it represented romance and marriage why did he bequeath it to a cricket club and not to Mills & Boon? Answer; beacuse it represents cricket.
MCC Claim No.5: "The MCC Travelex Ashes Exhibition, which has been visitied by well over 50 000 Australians since ot opened in mid October, contains over 25 artefacts which chart the history of Anglo-Australian cricket, match in August 1882 after which the including scorebook from the term 'the Ashes' was fist used." What a fascinating piece of trivia:
MCC Claim No.6: "This match was the first time England on home soil prompted a national outcry. A mock obituary, which lamented the death of English cricket, appeared in The Sporting Times and in a reference to the campaign at the time to leaglise cremataion claimed 'the body will be cremated and the ashes taken to Australia'."
More fascination but so what?


And so it goes. The MCC has not presented one convincing arguement why they should keep the Ashes.
Reasons for the Ashes to be handed to the winning nation are legion. For a start, almost every trophy in the world sport goes to the victors. The Asges are an anomaly.
The value of winning would be massively boosted ny actually receiving the tiny urn would also create abundant marketing opportunities.
Imagine certain cricket tragics leaving their homes in say, Kirribilli to see THe Ashes at a secure location.
And the English might profit too. Physicaly loosing The Ashes would make them more determined to get them back. Frankly England could use the extra motivation.
 
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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
And that mass of Bold and italics means what exactly?

Apart from being a load of rubbish and incorrect assertions?
 

Stumped

Banned
And that mass of Bold and italics means what exactly?

Apart from being a load of rubbish and incorrect assertions?
if u acutaly read it and took it wat was writen u might understand and hand over the ashes which are rightfuly ours at the moment
 
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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
if u acutaly read it and took it wat was writen u might understand and hand over the ashes which are rightfuly ours at the moment
No, they're not actually rightfully anyone's but the MCC's.

Nothing in that article changes that fact.
 

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