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CW Annual Awards - Afridi

Best of 2006 - Afridi (Best Post)


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adharcric

International Coach
Below we have the five best posts of the year, as judged by adharcric; he has done a great job with his selections. We want you to vote for the best, simple. :)

SJS said:
Dravid is a fantastic batsman but what the rest of the team needs to learn from him is not just technique but a far greater quality needed by test batsmen - the value he puts on his wicket.

The Sehwags, Yuvrajs and that new God of the Indian cricket fan His Highness Mahendrasinghji Dhoni need to look at how they fare in this regard. Test matches are NOT one day internationals and "this is my style and thats how I play" is no excuse for gross negligence of the basic requirement of a test batsman which is to stay at the wicket.

I have been reading here about Dravid's great batting but I have also had some guests at home commenting during India's first innings as to how miserably slow Dravid bats and how thois will be the ruination of Indian cricket. Yes. Thats what is the mantra of the 'drunk-on-sixers' Indian fan. But do we not expect our batsmen to know better.

I just did a quick calculation and found that during his last 20 completed innings, Dravid has stayed at the wicket long enough to face 154 deliveries per innings.

The figures for Ms Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dhoni are 56, 47 and 42 respectively ! (For Dhoni it is 19 innings since that how long his test career has been) Its a disgrace that someone whose dropping from the top batting ranking was mourned in India and whose elevation, ever so brief, was not just celeberated (and rightly so) but was used to denigrate the former God who had occupied it for weeks, months and longer.

Laxman, Jaffer and Kaif are better than this trio, though way behind Dravid, but guess who puts them to the ultimate shame? None other than Anil Kumble who lasts 60 deliveries per innings very often helping one of his senior (batting) colleagues to save a disastrous situation.

Before anyone jumps up to ask whether I am portraying Kumble as a better batsman that these three worthies, let me assure that I am not. The point I am making is that with all the natural "aggro" and all the other words Dhoni, Sehwag and company are feted with can not hide the fact that they are expected to have a defense at least as good as one of the tail enders in the side and an attitude and sense of responsibilty far greater than him since it is THEIR principal job and not his.

But is anyone going to bother? No one I think, least of all the sixer crazy new cricket fan of India nor the media which is equally ignorant.
Burgey said:
But guys, isn't the point that you can't manufacture rivalry? It grows from history or from countries being neighbours and having a geographical rivalry.

India v Pakistan - historical & geographical
Aus v England - historical
Aus v WI - historical
NZ v Aus - geographical

All players go out to win every match, but certain games are more keenly fought than others, because of the history between the countries playing in them. For example, the WI v Aus rivalry really started with the 1960-61 series, as an example, and carried on in 1975-76 then the 80s, which is why, when Australia towelled WI last year, not many people here had sympathy for them, remembering the bruises we got through the 80s.

The Ashes is one of the oldest rivalries in sport.

India v Pakistan is one of the most heated rivalries in sport, it's got the lost - warring countries, passionate fans, historical connection, the whole shebang. It's developed over decades and isn't something which is just manufactured for the sake of rivalling other series.
Slow Love™ said:
I agree. It's based on a foolish assumption that Australians don't know terms like "Kaffir", but as I've said before, anybody who's seen Lethal Weapon 2 would be familiar with these terms of abuse. Fundamentally though, I don't know why we keep practicing this denial - it's a small minority of utter tools, and I think we're better off condemning them and acknowledging that something's been done about it, rather than continually writing it off as "expats" (which doesn't even really mean non-Australian anyway, unless you think many immigrants aren't Australian, and do we actually want to go there?). It seems kinda desperate and pig-headed, to me.

But beyond this, I am sick and tired of Graeme Smith bringing this up every few weeks. At a certain point, you have to wonder whether his motives are actually concern for players that might get abused, or an attempt to stir crap up. You be the judge, but here's a memo for Smith:

Matt79 said:
How anyone can say that Grace wasn't one of the greatest batsmen ever is quite beyond me. Its one thing to have a text book technique, its another thing to basically re-write the book. A great scientist once said that if I see far, it's because I stand on the shoulders of giants, and Grace is about as Giant as they come. Would you say that your high-school science teacher is a better scientist than Newton, because he understands more about physics than Newton did? No, and its non-sensical to say that Adam Gilchrist is a better batsman than Grace IMO.

Deal with it! :p
Jono said:
… and suspicions that I (and some others) made clear just after the Champions Trophy are starting to become increasingly obvious. These suspicions are that people singling out sub-continental batsman as the only ones that struggle against movement (whether seam or swing) and extra bounce in modern day cricket were pretty much wrong.

Following the Champions Trophy there were all sorts of articles and comments by so called experts (with Sanjay Manjrekar leading the way) as well as posts by CW members claiming that the results of the CT, and the fact that no Asian team made it to the semis, was further proof that they still couldn’t handle pitches which had bounce and/or seam. These cries came from people from various corners, including fans of India, SL and Pakistan themselves.

Yet the enthralling test cricket I’ve just watched over the weekend (I’m mainly talking of NZ vs. SL and SA vs. Ind, not necessarily the Ashes) points to something completely different, something that I and others argued to counter this point. I distinctly remember SJS having a real crack at the Asian teams after the CT in an article on CW, and Sanz and I heavily disagreed with his points. I believe (and its pretty clear tbh) that its not just Asian batsmen which are struggling with bowler friendly wickets more-so then before, it’s the majority of batsmen. Yes batsman have obviously always struggled when the pitch favours the fast bowlers, but players’ techniques are being further exposed nowadays for reasons we’ve already gone into many many times (flat tracks, decline in bowler quality etc.)

Sri Lanka and India are much maligned cricket teams often because of their poor test records away from home. Yet in the past few days Sri Lanka have just well and truly thrashed New Zealand on their home soil by over 200 runs to level the 2 test series 1-1, and perhaps even more shocking due to what took place during the ODI series, India have just embarrassed South Africa on their home soil by 123 runs.

The amazing thing about these wins is that the NZ and SA have been completely demolished by impressive fast bowling (yeah Murali and Kumble played parts in the wins, but Malinga for SL and Sreesanth and Zaheer for India were the main instigators). South Africa was embarrassingly dismissed in the 1st innings for only 84 by India on a track which was greatly helping the fast bowlers, and NZ themselves only made 130 on wickets they should be very used to by now. On top of that, its not like the fast bowlers were all-time greats; Malinga and Sreesanth are hardly your McGrath, Flintoff or Pollock (not yet anyway hey SilentStriker ;)), hell they’re not even as good or as experienced as Ntini, Nel, Akhtar and other very good fast bowlers around ATM. Yet they ran through the NZ and SA batting sides, with genuine pace and swing on helpful pitches for fast bowling.

These aren’t just fluke wins either, because you can only go back a few months earlier to see Sri Lanka draw a 3 test series with England 1-1 only one season after Australia lost the Ashes to them. India too only a few months ago defeated the WI away from home 1-0, with the only test victory happening on the most juicy bowler friendly track of the 4 test series.

I’m not going to argue that these sub-continental batsman are any good at playing the moving ball all of a sudden (hell after Sri Lanka’s poor batting performance in the 1st innings of the 1st test, I criticised them heavily), what I’m arguing is that they aren’t too much worse (if at all worse) at playing it then most batsman in world cricket. Its not an Asian problem like some like to conveniently point out (whether it be self-loathing sub-continent fans who like to stick the boots into their team at all times, or other fans who conveniently use the “flat track bully” comment to denigrate any Asian batsman’s accomplishments).

The first evidence to me was the way South Africa handled Stuart Clark and the other Australian fast bowlers on their own turf which aided seam movement. They were simply woeful. They weren’t much better in the ODI vs. Pakistan at Mohali in the Champions Trophy (which they happened to win due to Pakistan being even worse and having to bat in even tougher conditions). Umar Gul and Iftikhar made them look like fools (they were lucky they didn’t face Asif and Akhtar).

This isn’t an overreaction from an excited Indian fan after a rare overseas victory either, because even if the results didn’t occur (say NZ and SA miraculously chased down those huge targets they were set as the pitches flattened out) the evidence was already there when NZ and SA (a) struggled on their own home grounds against teams not known for their fast bowling, and then (b) couldn’t bowl out their Asian counterparts despite having vastly superior pace attacks who are used to these conditions. Nor is it a case of an Asian vs. non-Asian debate (Lord knows we’ve had too much of that lately), or a hyperbolic “international cricket is in its worst case ever, all batsman suck and are overrated etc.” (Had too much of that as well). We’ve gone over the batting friendly era arguments over and over. My major contention is that the misconception of if you throw any Asian batsmen (other than a Dravid or Inzy) on a track with bounce of seam movement, they suddenly suck. Well they may often suck, but they’re not alone.

The best examples of this fallacy I can think of, other than the massive overreaction after the CT (honestly has Sanjay Manjrekar ever not taken an opportunity to take a swipe at Asian teams) were the SA commentators during the India vs. SA test. They’ve been accused of bias before, particularly by many Australian fans during the last tour there, but some of them were pretty stupid much of the time during this test. They made it seem like Laxman couldn’t hold a bat the right way, yet he scored vital runs and outplayed Kallis, Gibbs and Smith who are apparently SA’s best batsman. Whenever an Indian batsman fails away from home on a juicy pitch it’s their technique that’s at fault and they’re flat track bullies who can’t handle pace, however if a South African batsman fails they’re just “out of form.” Not buying that at all, Gibbs and Smith in particular simply have obvious technical flaws which have been exposed countless times, and will be again if they ever have to bat on a pitch like at Johannesburg against good fast bowling. Obviously you have your Wasim Jaffer, Upul Tharanga, Shoaib Malik and Imran Farhat etc. who often get shown up when there is either extra bounce or movement, and that may be due to domestic cricket not having enough pitches with these characteristics (though India have already taken steps to change this, and Pakistan clearly have it as on of their priorities), but then what does it say about SA and NZ cricket when they produce these wiickets for domestic cricket, and their batsmen still struggle? For every Jaffer there is an Amla, for ever Tharanga there is a Jamie How etc.

Just some thoughts that have been circling around in my head the last couple of days which particularly came to the fore over the weekend’s occurrences. Here's hoping there could be some good discussion surrounding it.
 

pasag

RTDAS
c&p:

Oh hard bunch. I think the SL one was an argument I was involved in, I can't remember. Jono's was gold as well, but I like Matt 79's the best.

Note: 3 of the entries are Melburnians. Guns.
 

Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
Must say Jono's was the best. However, all were excellent.

Btw is there an annual award thread for each award?
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Wow, flattered for one of my posts to be nominated. Up against some fair competition, including SL's which is :lol: at the end. I swear I yelled that exact same thing on the last day of the India vs. SA test at the screen when Smith was pissing me off.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Very hard to split SJS and Jono, but I've gone with Jono - probably because I actually remember the context it was written in more than anything else...
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Another good thing about this new forum software is it lets me delete a lot of pointless points with one click.
 

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