You can't produce spinners unless you produce pitches that support them, same applies for quicks really.16 tins of Spam said:Pffft. Like this sort of thing hasn't been said a hundred times before. We have bugger-all spinners now, we've had bugger-all spinners in the past, and...... you get the picture
Yup.Neil Pickup said:Be grateful that you only need one spinner rather than three quicks, so you're not as horrendously stuffed as India are when it comes to getting on an aeroplane.
Not sure about that. Pakistan has produced some good quality fast bowling despite the pitches being roads quite often.chaminda_00 said:You can't produce spinners unless you produce pitches that support them, same applies for quicks really.
There pitches are considerable more supportive to seamers then India or Sri Lanka.silentstriker said:Not sure about that. Pakistan has produced some good quality fast bowling despite the pitches being roads quite often.
The Graveyard of Fast Bowlers?chaminda_00 said:There pitches are considerable more supportive to seamers then India or Sri Lanka.
I would say its the other way, the first thing most young cricketers are taught is how to bowl pace, so its really learned. Whereas as most quality spinners its just a natural thing, either you have it or you don'tsilentstriker said:I think its because Spin bowling is learned, pace bowling is born.
Mate, if you know of a place where kids can bowl 85mph+ by the bunch, please let me know where I can find it.chaminda_00 said:I would say its the other way, the first thing most young cricketers are taught is how to bowl pace, so its really learned. Whereas as most quality spinners its just a natural thing, either you have it or you don't
Obvisously they don't get taught how to ball fast, that the only natural thing about fast bowling.silentstriker said:Mate, if you know of a place where kids can bowl 85mph+ by the bunch, please let me know where I can find it.
Thats the #1 prerequisite. Then everything else comes in.chaminda_00 said:Obvisously they don't get taught how to ball fast, that the only natural thing about fast bowling.
Not really if you look at Test Cricket now, three of the best fast bowlers are Vaas, Pollock and McGarth and most grade bowlers in Australia would be faster then them. There is more to pace bowling then how fast you are, it helps but its not the #1 prerequistie.silentstriker said:Thats the #1 prerequisite. Then everything else comes in.
Theoretically, you only need two really to soften up the new ball. I know I wouldn't be too stuffed with an attack of McGrath, Ntini, Murali, Warne, and Kumble. Heck I could see an attack of Pathan, Agarkar and the three spinners mentioned winning matches overseas.Neil Pickup said:Be grateful that you only need one spinner rather than three quicks, so you're not as horrendously stuffed as India are when it comes to getting on an aeroplane.
Actually, with Daniel Vettori, Jeetan Patel, Nathan McCullum and Bruce Martin we have some pretty good spinners. I've always thought we should try and make one of the grounds quite succeptible to spin in a way similar to the SCG.16 tins of Spam said:Pffft. Like this sort of thing hasn't been said a hundred times before. We have bugger-all spinners now, we've had bugger-all spinners in the past, and...... you get the picture