Afridi back, where should he play?

[Saurav Ganguly]

Carrying the drinks tbh...

I agree with u,Shahid Afridi shouldn't be in the team as he always costs Pakistan matches because of his idiotics with the bat in critical situations.I would suggest to pick either Mansoor Amjad or Abdul Rehaman,who r both better potential allrounders than Afridi.

 

[Saurav Ganguly]

*sigh*

Afridi should be NO WHERE NEAR the team.

Spot on

 

[Saurav Ganguly]

no way, he's been very consistent since the VB series 2005 up until the ODI series in England, he just went through a bad patch. In this WC season along with the return of Shoaib/Asif to the ranks, Afridi is a bloke the selectors should be backing.

Yes selectors should back him but only if they don't want Pakistan to deveolp a good opening pair & also if they wan't Pakistan to always lose because of his idiotic slog mode of his batting.

 

[Beleg]

Ridiculous to compare him to other batsmen, as he is an allrounder whos bowling clearly plays a part in his selection. If we had to pick players based on their batting or bowling alone then we could forget about ever selecting Razzaq or Malik either. Our allrounders are one of our main strengths in our ODI and to a lesser extent our Test side. The were very useful because they could do almost if not as well of a job with the bat or ball as most specialists that were available. Just because Afridi hasn't been fulfilling the role of a specialist with the bat doesn't mean we should write him off.

So why do Razzaq and Malik have much much much much much better records then Afridi inspite of getting less chances?

Afridi hasn't been fullfilling any role at all. He isn't a good enough bowler to be picked for bowling alone and his batting has been worse than a tailenders. Comparing him with Razzaq is just ridiculous. Earlier in his career, razzaq was one of the better ODI bowlers in the world. He was also a batsman who could mould his game according to the need of the moment; constrast his slow, patient and carefully crafted 60 odd against Australia at Leeds with his brutal assault on McGrath just a few months latter. Afridi, unfortunately doesn't seem to possess either the ability, or the brain power, necessary for switching gears.

Late in his career, Razzaq has become a regular contributer in the lower order. He has single-handedly turned the tide of several matches, and on several occasions, his quick-fire 30/40/20's have made the difference between a Pakistani win and a loss. While his bowling abilities have dropped quite sharply, of late, he seems to have picked them up a bit. Even so, he's as vital a member of the Pakistani ODI team as Yonus and Yousuf.

The only time in his life Afridi was even half-way consistent was around the tour of tour to Australia last year around. In his career, on either side of that patch, he has been picked on the basis of isolated dazzling performances and talent that seems to surface once in a blue moon. On the international level, you simply cannot allow such an unconsistency. Tell me the name of a single character who has been given as many chances as Afridi and who has underperformed to his extent.

Even as a bowler, Afridi was never regarded in the same league as razzaq. Razzaq started off a pure bowler, and it was his 40 odd against South Africa from number ten that brought his batting abilities to the public's attention. Afridi, since his second game, has been expected to play the role of a batsman who can bowl a bit. (or a fair lot in Afridi's case) The development of his image as an 'all-rounder' followed his disastrous batting performances and was a direct consequences of the fans, and bizzarely the managements, (though not so bizzare, considering the commercial nature of cricket and the attitudes of the Pakistani populance) attempts at keeping him in the team at all costs.

He is an avatar of the unconsistency that has plagued Pakistani performances in the late nineties and the early 2000's. If the Pakistani team wants to improve and avoid being struck in the rut of inconsistency, they'll have to shake him off as a relic of a bygone era and blood-in youngsters to carry the cycle forward.

 

[mohammad16]

So why do Razzaq and Malik have much much much much much better records then Afridi inspite of getting less chances?

Afridi hasn't been fullfilling any role at all. He isn't a good enough bowler to be picked for bowling alone and his batting has been worse than a tailenders. Comparing him with Razzaq is just ridiculous. Earlier in his career, razzaq was one of the better ODI bowlers in the world. He was also a batsman who could mould his game according to the need of the moment; constrast his slow, patient and carefully crafted 60 odd against Australia at Leeds with his brutal assault on McGrath just a few months latter. Afridi, unfortunately doesn't seem to possess either the ability, or the brain power, necessary for switching gears.

Late in his career, Razzaq has become a regular contributer in the lower order. He has single-handedly turned the tide of several matches, and on several occasions, his quick-fire 30/40/20's have made the difference between a Pakistani win and a loss. While his bowling abilities have dropped quite sharply, of late, he seems to have picked them up a bit. Even so, he's as vital a member of the Pakistani ODI team as Yonus and Yousuf.

The only time in his life Afridi was even half-way consistent was around the tour of tour to Australia last year around. In his career, on either side of that patch, he has been picked on the basis of isolated dazzling performances and talent that seems to surface once in a blue moon. On the international level, you simply cannot allow such an unconsistency. Tell me the name of a single character who has been given as many chances as Afridi and who has underperformed to his extent.

Even as a bowler, Afridi was never regarded in the same league as razzaq. Razzaq started off a pure bowler, and it was his 40 odd against South Africa from number ten that brought his batting abilities to the public's attention. Afridi, since his second game, has been expected to play the role of a batsman who can bowl a bit. (or a fair lot in Afridi's case) The development of his image as an 'all-rounder' followed his disastrous batting performances and was a direct consequences of the fans, and bizzarely the managements, (though not so bizzare, considering the commercial nature of cricket and the attitudes of the Pakistani populance) attempts at keeping him in the team at all costs.

He is an avatar of the unconsistency that has plagued Pakistani performances in the late nineties and the early 2000's. If the Pakistani team wants to improve and avoid being struck in the rut of inconsistency, they'll have to shake him off as a relic of a bygone era and blood-in youngsters to carry the cycle forward.

i didnt read through all of it but razzaqs ability to switch gears has shocked me

i still remember the match saving innings he played in a partnership with kamran akmal i think it was in mohali

he batted slower then a snail would, totally went into a shell while akmal was playing his natural game

 

[Miraz]

Afridi should sit out of the team again.

Its the attitude towards the game which should be corrected.

 

[silentstriker]

He should carry the drinks.

 

[mohammad16]

Afridi should sit out of the team again.

Its the attitude towards the game which should be corrected.

if he doenst play, how would u no his attitude hasnt been corrected

he scored a 91 ball 100 in domestic cricket jus recently

that shows me some change

today he got an unplayable ball, it was going down leg and leg cutted like a leg spinner to hit the off stump

u cant really fault him on thta

 

[Beleg]

he scored a 91 ball 100 in domestic cricket jus recently

that shows me some change

today he got an unplayable ball, it was going down leg and leg cutted like a leg spinner to hit the off stump

u cant really fault him on thta

I rest my case.

 

[shortpitched713]

So why do Razzaq and Malik have much much much much much better records then Afridi inspite of getting less chances?

Here are the records of all three of the players in question.

Abdul Razzaq- Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
Tests 46 77 9 1946 134 28.61 4741 41.04 3 7 230 23 15 0
ODIs 223 192 48 4396 112 30.52 5480 80.21 2 22 328 102 29 0
Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 46 7008 3694 100 5/35 7/155 36.94 3.16 70.08 4 1 0
ODIs 223 9611 7445 243 6/35 6/35 30.63 4.64 39.55 8 3 0

Shahid Afridi- Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
Tests 26 46 1 1683 156 37.40 1954 86.13 5 8 216 50 10 0
ODIs 234 222 9 4880 109 22.91 4535 107.60 4 26 459 217 83 0
Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 26 3092 1640 47 5/52 5/43 34.89 3.18 65.78 1 1 0
ODIs 234 9117 7026 193 5/11 5/11 36.40 4.62 47.23 2 2 0

Shoaib Malik- Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
Tests 18 29 4 941 148* 37.64 2132 44.13 1 5 130 8 8 0
ODIs 128 113 13 3243 143 32.43 4179 77.60 5 19 273 35 46 0
Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 18 1429 820 13 4/42 4/94 63.07 3.44 109.92 1 0 0
ODIs 128 4676 3463 101 4/19 4/19 34.28 4.44 46.29 1 0 0

Hardly a much much much much worse record than any of the other allrounders. Of considerable note is the fact that Afridi's Test record compares favorably to that of both of the other allrounders. Razzaq's Test record in particular is woeful, especially his bowling average as a seamer. I don't see how you can go screaming on about Afridi's worthlessness while Razzaq gets a free ride in Tests, and Afridi gets dropped at the first instance. The only area that Afridi appears to suffer is in his ODI batting. His average is significantly below that of the others, but is mitigated by his superior strike rate. Also interesting to note is that Afridi has played about the same number of ODIs as Razzaq, but only about half as many Tests, thereby debunking the theory that he gets more chances than other players.

Obviously Afridi has been in a bad patch of late, but looking at the records it becomes clear that he has been useful to both Pakistan's Test and ODI teams, and to me it makes sense why they're persisting with him.

 

[mohammad16]

I rest my case.

no u dont

 

[mohammad16]

Here are the records of all three of the players in question.

Abdul Razzaq- Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
Tests 46 77 9 1946 134 28.61 4741 41.04 3 7 230 23 15 0
ODIs 223 192 48 4396 112 30.52 5480 80.21 2 22 328 102 29 0
Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 46 7008 3694 100 5/35 7/155 36.94 3.16 70.08 4 1 0
ODIs 223 9611 7445 243 6/35 6/35 30.63 4.64 39.55 8 3 0

Shahid Afridi- Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
Tests 26 46 1 1683 156 37.40 1954 86.13 5 8 216 50 10 0
ODIs 234 222 9 4880 109 22.91 4535 107.60 4 26 459 217 83 0
Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 26 3092 1640 47 5/52 5/43 34.89 3.18 65.78 1 1 0
ODIs 234 9117 7026 193 5/11 5/11 36.40 4.62 47.23 2 2 0

Shoaib Malik- Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
Tests 18 29 4 941 148* 37.64 2132 44.13 1 5 130 8 8 0
ODIs 128 113 13 3243 143 32.43 4179 77.60 5 19 273 35 46 0
Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 18 1429 820 13 4/42 4/94 63.07 3.44 109.92 1 0 0
ODIs 128 4676 3463 101 4/19 4/19 34.28 4.44 46.29 1 0 0

Hardly a much much much much worse record than any of the other allrounders. Of considerable note is the fact that Afridi's Test record compares favorably to that of both of the other allrounders. Razzaq's Test record in particular is woeful, especially his bowling average as a seamer. I don't see how you can go screaming on about Afridi's worthlessness while Razzaq gets a free ride in Tests, and Afridi gets dropped at the first instance. The only area that Afridi appears to suffer is in his ODI batting. His average is significantly below that of the others, but is mitigated by his superior strike rate. Also interesting to note is that Afridi has played about the same number of ODIs as Razzaq, but only about half as many Tests, thereby debunking the theory that he gets more chances than other players.

Obviously Afridi has been in a bad patch of late, but looking at the records it becomes clear that he has been useful to both Pakistan's Test and ODI teams, and to me it makes sense why they're persisting with him.

WORD UP, these guys is going overboard with afridis induction

its alot liek typical hardcore indian and pakistani fans

we forget that everyone was on his bandwagon just a year ago, and hes had a bad patch recently and everyone just cant stand the guy in the starting lineup

well altleast the local crowd loves him

 

[shortpitched713]

well altleast the local crowd loves him

Hes going to have to get out of the single digits soon for that to remain the case.