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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Err, by what possible definition of bias? The only bias the ICC would have shown was towards supporting their officials in their decision making, which is exactly what they should do. Who exactly would they be biased against if they said that Hair was the appointed official for the match and they trusted his judgement about the condition of the ball and believed he acted in good faith, regardless of whether or not his decision was correct?
    The ICC wouldn't explain their decision as well as you have - that's the difference.
    They would make a stupid statement and people would think they're supporting Hair's ball-tampering call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    He hasn't made as many bad calls over a long career. Also it way pretty clear that he was just follwoing the lead of the senior umpire.
    That reasoning didn't stand at Nuremberg...
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    I'd much rather have an umpire that is going to make dubious decisions now and again, than have someone who is afraid of causing controversy. International cricket is a poorer place without Hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire
    International cricket is a poorer place without Hair.
    That's Warney's excuse as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    That's Warney's excuse as well...


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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    Overreacting much?
    We've had LBW's, run outs, catches, fours and no balls referred to a man sitting at a desk, and now the umpire has had his bollocks sent upstairs too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    We've had LBW's, run outs, catches, fours and no balls referred to a man sitting at a desk, and now the umpire has had his bollocks sent upstairs too...
    Eh? You think the umpire should just guess on run outs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    We've had LBW's, run outs, catches, fours and no balls referred to a man sitting at a desk, and now the umpire has had his bollocks sent upstairs too...
    That's the way it should be. The umpires are made for cricket, cricket is not made for the umpires.

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    So at what point are we going to have a court case, or enquiry and demands an umpire be stood down because of a howler of an LBW decision, or a decision NOT to refer a run-out to the third umpire. Not too far into the future I'd suggest. Once that's happened, umpires are going to need to have lawyers or video review experts vet everything they do, and wow, the game will be a complete joke.

    The point is that you need to nominate someone who's IN CHARGE of proceedings. You're basically suggesting changing that person from an umpire to the match referee. And what happens if one day Chris Broad or another match referee decides a ball has been tampered with? Another controversy, another media storm and another poor sod sent to the wall for trying to do his job. There's no logical reason to think that a match referee will be any better at making these decisions than an umpire. Don't cite access to replays, and technology like Hawkeye etc. If criminal cases, and sports where video evidence is used in inquests/trials have shown us anything its that a competent advocate can reduce or qualify the guidance such tools provide to the point that you're still asking someone to make a gut decision - except the process takes massively longer and costs massively more.

    Obviously umpires shouldn't be above reproach. Their position should be based upon their continued performance and retained confidence of the cricketing community. But this process of review and performance evaluation needs to happen in private if you are not to undermine the credibility of the games officialdom. Its all very well saying that umpires are there to serve cricket, not the other way around, but it would also be a good idea to consider that without umpires we can't play cricket. And decisions like this make being a professional umpire a damn unattractive career choice, and has potentially led to a lowering of the standards of umpiring in international cricket - by removing one of the technically most proficient umpires in the sport - we'll be lucky if his replacement on the panel is as good at the regular judgements Hair made, although no doubt he'll be much more polite.
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    Agree with what you've said. Let's not go into Hair again. Tired of this issue already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adharcric
    There's a huge difference between an incorrect LBW decision and a dubious accusation of ball tampering or chucking. The former involves a spontaneous decision in which a judgment must be made in virtually a second. The latter requires substantial evidence, allows considerable time for observation and has a huge impact on a cricketer's career and reputation. If on-field umpires are too scared to call chuckers and ball-tamperers now, that's fine. The match referee, third umpire or another off-the-field committee should do it.
    and if it's proven to have had an influence on the outcome of the game how is that fixed? It's difficult to rectify the situation after the game...the only thing that can be fixed is the player's action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameeel
    Then why was no action taken against Doctrove?
    Maybe the cross was only big enough to fit D.Hair on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    We've had LBW's, run outs, catches, fours and no balls referred to a man sitting at a desk, and now the umpire has had his bollocks sent upstairs too...
    I hope they weren't tampered with...this whole rigmarole could kick off again.

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    Sort of minimalising and diluting the whole armband thing IMO. They should only be used in mourning the death of a close one, but the fact that they are worn for every other thing that happens these days (taking about other sports as well here) it really kills the whole thing.
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    A sad day for my club tomorrow, we lost one of our under14 players. So we will don black armbands. RIP
    You know it makes sense.

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