Which teams would be adversely effected by Cond/Pitches in SA ?

[vandemataram]

Originally posted by aussie_beater

Originally posted by anilramavarma

England, if they have a fully fit Caddick, Tudor, Jones, Flintoff attack(Gough would be a great bonus), looks good in SA conditions.

Gough has been ruled out from the world cup too....so he isn't going to be there.

Tudor has an ave of 34, Caddick's ave is 30,Flintoff's ave is 29 while Jones haven't played a match.There is no way they are better than Indian pacers.Srinath,Khan & Ajit has a better record.

 

[V Reddy]

Ashish Nehra is still a good bowler. He had a good Econ rate in WI,ENG,SRL. Its only here that he is not bowling well. Even Cuffy is going for runs . The wickets are more flatter than they used to be.

 

[marc71178]

Originally posted by aussie_beater

Originally posted by marc71178

ODI's aren't proper Cricket, how many times do I have to say that?

Oh, they are proper alright.....

they are just different, but to say that they are not proper cricket, is plain ridiculous.

They're not because they're contrived to get a result, and that is against the ethos of the game.

 

[marc71178]

Tudor has an ave of 34, Caddick's ave is 30,Flintoff's ave is 29 while Jones haven't played a match.There is no way they are better than Indian pacers.Srinath,Khan & Ajit has a better record.

Don't think you'll get much support for that argument.

 

[anzac]

England's attack rates better than India's for SA conditions because they are at least specialist seam bowlers selected with a game plan - whereas some of the Indian seamers seem to get picked as an after thought to the spinners!!!!

It doesn't really matter tho' if the English attack is better suited - the only way they'll look good in SA is to the opposition batsmen as they are smashed all over the park if they continue to bowl the sort of crap they are at the moment!!!!!!

 

[Go_India]

just wait a bit longer and you will see india lifting the world cup.8D

 

[Gotchya]

They're not because they're contrived to get a result, and that is against the ethos of the game.

What ??!!!!

where do you live ? 1924 ?

result oriented sports......as i see it you should be thanking one-day cricket, because of it cricket is still alive and going.

Wasim is past it now, and to suggest you'd select him (7 Test wickets in 7 matches since July 2000) over Gillespie is ludicrous

well....you still haven't given anything on the REAL statement......


With Gough in the squad, the English attack would be certainly better then that of India. Without him though its not clear who has the edge. Interesting, the previous World Cup was dominated by bowlers, perhaps thats prompted all of us to delve into a discussion regarding the relative strenghts of bowling attacks.

What about the batting strenghts ?

India are at the top with a powerful batting line-up. True conditions will be testing, but I dont think that they will find it too hard to adapt to them. They should get it figured out pretty quickly and then we'll be in for some entertainment.

Australia and South Africa make it close seconds with a lot of depth in the batting. Players like Bevan, Martyn though tip the balance in Australia's favour.

Then I guess its Sri Lanka, Pakistan, England and West Indies. Not sure how to rate these four, I suppose something like

Sri Lanka
Good strikers at the top and solid middle order give them the edge over Pakistan. Batsmen such as Arnold and Jayawardene can really give the stick to the opposition.

Pakistan
An array of stroke players, but prone to collapse, fail to deliver half the time. No good openers to suplement the dependable Inzi and Youhanna. Still some good batsmen in their,who if deliver can compile healthy totals. Also they
tradiotnially adap to to bouncy and fast conditons pretty well. Can expect some
good batting displays from them.

England
Same as Pakistan, too many collapses, but Trescothik has proved to be a player who can play good, big innings and has been supported ably by the middle order.
A little consistency needed.


West Indies
In the light of the current series this may seem ridiculous, but against quality bowlers in testing conditions, I am not sure the West Indian batsmen will be able to prosper as they have done recently. Still though, a fairly attacking unit, who have the aggression and technique to amass good totals.

 

[Bazza]

The last world cup was dominated by bowlers because it was held in England early in the season, hence the likes of Allott bowling out of their skins. England's seam attack is far superior to India's. Tudor is not a regular. I would look at Caddick, Hoggard, Flintoff, maybe White or Kirtley something like that. If Gough had been fit that would have been huge. India have Srinath who they dragged back out of retirement, Khan who is injured(?), Nehra is pants, so is Agarkar. Bangar is tame to say the least (military medium?), who else is there? Apparently there are only 7 seamers in India (I still here loads of people saying Prasad should be recalled, and of course Ganguly is in for his batting and will get smashed in SA).

 

[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by marc71178

Originally posted by aussie_beater

Originally posted by marc71178

ODI's aren't proper Cricket, how many times do I have to say that?

Oh, they are proper alright.....

they are just different, but to say that they are not proper cricket, is plain ridiculous.

They're not because they're contrived to get a result, and that is against the ethos of the game.

What ?? What are you smoking, mate ?

Ethos of any game is to get a result...a winner and a loser.That way every game is contrived....and in cricket test matches are no different.

Everybody knows that the two forms of the game are different but ODIs contribution to cricket's life is immense...cricket would have been dead as a popular sport by now, if it was not for the ODIs.

 

[CricketGuru]

Originally posted by Go_India
just wait a bit longer and you will see india lifting the world cup.8D

With that bowling performance they wont be lifting anything

 

[Choora]

Originally posted by CricketGuru

Originally posted by Go_India
just wait a bit longer and you will see india lifting the world cup.8D

With that bowling performance they wont be lifting anything

India's bowling is just as good as anyone else.Forget Nehra and Bangar, Balaji is now in the side and he's one hell of a bowler, and with Khan and Nath the bowling attack looks ROCK SOLID

 

[onemangang]

The sole fav's are the Aussies, i'm not sure as to how you guys have come to the conclusion that India is definately goin to win the cup.

Who do you think should keep the wkts in SA for India?? India's bowling is already weak and if Dravid fail to perform well behind the stumps then it will be extremely difficult for the Indian team to contain the opposition.

 

[CricketGuru]

Originally posted by Choora

Originally posted by CricketGuru

Originally posted by Go_India
just wait a bit longer and you will see india lifting the world cup.8D

With that bowling performance they wont be lifting anything

India's bowling is just as good as anyone else.Forget Nehra and Bangar, Balaji is now in the side and he's one hell of a bowler, and with Khan and Nath the bowling attack looks ROCK SOLID

Yeah it looks like ROCK SOLID thats why is isnt improving

 

[CricketGuru]

Originally posted by marc71178

how can you compare gillespie with wasim.gillespie doesn't even have any experience yet he has only played 44 ODIS.first of all he should be taught how to bowl in the final overs then you should think of comparing him with wasim.

ODI's aren't proper Cricket, how many times do I have to say that? But incidentally Gillespie slips in at number 4 in the current rankings.

He is also a key member of the best bowling attack in the world, bar none - Wasim isn't even an automatic pick now.

Well i dont know what u call proper cricket but Wasim is still in the top ten and if he isnt an automatic pick now its because of his differences with the captain Waqar Younis.
Gillespie has a long long way to go to be as experienced as Wasim Akram and i will be very surprised if he gets half of the ODI wickets wasim has and can bowl as professionally as him 8D

 

[Choora]

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Yeah it looks like ROCK SOLID thats why is isnt improving [/quote]

Why don't you read my post carefully?? I said that when we will have Zaheer Khan & Balaji in the team instead of Ajit and Nehra,then our attack will be rock solid!

 

[marc71178]

India's bowling is just as good as anyone else.

Except Aus, SA, Pak, Eng, WI, NZ and possibly SL.

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by marc71178

India's bowling is just as good as anyone else.

Except Aus, SA, Pak, Eng, WI, NZ and possibly SL.

Australia, SA, Pak, a fully fit NZ, yes. England(without Gough) and WI are marginally better while SL in SA conditions are at the same level or even lower.

 

[Bazza]

Gillespie won't get half as many ODI wickets as Akram because when Akram was Gillespie's age he had played about 4 times as many games as Gillespie, and he's already carried on until about 35 so Gillespie would have to play like 30 games a year for 10 years to catch Wasim.

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by Bazzaroodoo
Gillespie won't get half as many ODI wickets as Akram because when Akram was Gillespie's age he had played about 4 times as many games as Gillespie, and he's already carried on until about 35 so Gillespie would have to play like 30 games a year for 10 years to catch Wasim.

Wasim Akram is arguably the greatest left arm fast bowler ever in cricket history and one of the greatest bowlers of our era. Gillespie is a good bowler, could go on to become a great bowler, but when you look at Akram at his best and Gillespie at his best(till now), there is really no comparison. Akram comes out miles ahead.

Before you say anything, Akram is over-the-hill and nearing the end of a great career while Gillespie is peaking as a fast bowler right now. What is the point in comparing them right now? In any case, I still feel that Akram with his variety and vast experience is still capable of giving Gillespie a good run for his money.

 

[Gotchya]

And I was losing hope that we would get a justified answer.