Michael Clarke

sean · 01-11-2002, 05:02 AM

Why does everyone think he's so good? 2 centuries and suddenly he's a superstar?

Rik · 01-11-2002, 05:30 AM

Past record in junior teams really. I have a feeling that even though Ian Bell has had a crap season that Bell is a better talent.

and...he's English

Eclipse · 01-11-2002, 07:36 PM

No way Clark is heaps better than I. Bell and i have seen alot of both of them.

age_master · 02-11-2002, 12:24 AM

Clarke will pl;ay test cricket in the next couple of years no doubt, he is the greatest batsman since Ponting to come through the ranks, also - he would make both the test and ODI teams as he has shown he can bat in the ING cup as well

Rik · 02-11-2002, 05:16 AM

Right...and all that after 2 centuries? Just let him mature and leave all the pressure off him. Bell suffered from the pressure this season but I've seen Bell and he's one of the best I've seen, hes got a great technique.

Rik · 02-11-2002, 05:17 AM

And I suppose Michael Clarke is just better than Bell as he's Australian

marc71178 · 02-11-2002, 05:46 AM

Rik, you do post a lot of rubbish at times.

Rik · 02-11-2002, 07:52 AM

Hehehe, but people from Australia will think their player is better, the same with England...except when the hard realities come in. I just think Clarke's being pushed up like Bell was, and adding to the fact that if someone like Matt Elliot who averages 48 in FC cricket and Hussey among others, can't get a place in the test or ODI team then how is some guy who averages 36 or sommit gonna get into the world cup?

Neil Pickup · 02-11-2002, 01:08 PM

Please stop pulling out statistics like that and expecting them to support your assertions. Let me point you in the direction of Graeme Hick and Marcus Trescothick in the CC.

"Like the lamppost to the drunk, more for support than illumination".

Rik · 02-11-2002, 02:09 PM

Notices that he didn't mention Trescothick or Hick...

I just think Australia will go for experiance in the World Cup...and Lehmann is in the test squad now so that should give hope to Elliot and Blewett. I think the last thing Clarke needs is to be thrown in the deep end when he's coming to terms with the shallow end of Domestic cricket.

age_master · 02-11-2002, 02:45 PM

Clarke is a brilliant bat, which you would agree with if you had seen him play.

ofcourse Aussie players are better than the rest of the world, we are on top of every International table and we have state sides taht when at full strength could knock of any other international side (esp at home)

Rik · 02-11-2002, 04:19 PM

Bell ain't half bad either, I would look out for a few young players like Kabir Ali and James Dalyrmple (or however you spell it) as they could be big.

Eclipse · 02-11-2002, 06:02 PM

Clark is ralitivly new and very young just because he only avrages 37 means nothing at this stage for a 21 year old. I would expect him to lift that avrage to around 44-48.

age_master · 02-11-2002, 06:42 PM

look at soem of clarkes stats :
Vice captain and captain of the Aus u/19's in sucessive years

on the tour of england (when he was vice captain)he got a hundred in one of the tests (others on the tour were Clingleffer, Hauritz,klinger etc)

sis crap in the u/19 world cup - spend half if it opening

this season he has 2 50's and a 48 in ING cup and 2 hundreds in the Pura cup

Rik · 02-11-2002, 07:28 PM

Some of Ian Bell:

Captain of England Under 19's for several years with many centuries

Averaged 60 in the CC when only 19

Had a poor season last season but still won the Man of the Match award in the (Supercup?) Final at Lords for his 64* which won the match for Warwickshire.

Twice called up for the England Academy, England A Tour when 19 shortly before he played his 1st full season for Warwickshire and drafted into the party to tour New Zealand in early 2002.

All in all not bad...and I've heard his brother Keith ain't half bad either...

01-11-2002, 05:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
sean School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 177	Michael Clarke Why does everyone think he's so good? 2 centuries and suddenly he's a superstar?

01-11-2002, 05:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Past record in junior teams really. I have a feeling that even though Ian Bell has had a crap season that Bell is a better talent. and...he's English __________________ "Age is just a stupid number" 20...that's a rather big number :(:(:(

02-11-2002, 12:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	Clarke will pl;ay test cricket in the next couple of years no doubt, he is the greatest batsman since Ponting to come through the ranks, also - he would make both the test and ODI teams as he has shown he can bat in the ING cup as well __________________ Member of CW Green Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator

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Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	Please stop pulling out statistics like that and expecting them to support your assertions. Let me point you in the direction of Graeme Hick and Marcus Trescothick in the CC. "Like the lamppost to the drunk, more for support than illumination". __________________ MSN Messenger: minardineil2000 at hotmail dot com \| AAAS Chairman CricketWeb Black \| CricketWeb XI Captain ClarkeWatch: We're Watching Rikki - Are You? Up The Grecians - Exeter City FC Completing the Square: My Cricket Web Blog

01-11-2002, 07:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Eclipse International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nere a Spoon Posts: 2,873	No way Clark is heaps better than I. Bell and i have seen alot of both of them.

02-11-2002, 05:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Right...and all that after 2 centuries? Just let him mature and leave all the pressure off him. Bell suffered from the pressure this season but I've seen Bell and he's one of the best I've seen, hes got a great technique.

02-11-2002, 05:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	And I suppose Michael Clarke is just better than Bell as he's Australian

02-11-2002, 07:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Hehehe, but people from Australia will think their player is better, the same with England...except when the hard realities come in. I just think Clarke's being pushed up like Bell was, and adding to the fact that if someone like Matt Elliot who averages 48 in FC cricket and Hussey among others, can't get a place in the test or ODI team then how is some guy who averages 36 or sommit gonna get into the world cup?

02-11-2002, 02:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Notices that he didn't mention Trescothick or Hick... I just think Australia will go for experiance in the World Cup...and Lehmann is in the test squad now so that should give hope to Elliot and Blewett. I think the last thing Clarke needs is to be thrown in the deep end when he's coming to terms with the shallow end of Domestic cricket.

02-11-2002, 02:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	Clarke is a brilliant bat, which you would agree with if you had seen him play. ofcourse Aussie players are better than the rest of the world, we are on top of every International table and we have state sides taht when at full strength could knock of any other international side (esp at home)

02-11-2002, 04:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Bell ain't half bad either, I would look out for a few young players like Kabir Ali and James Dalyrmple (or however you spell it) as they could be big.

02-11-2002, 06:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Eclipse International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nere a Spoon Posts: 2,873	Clark is ralitivly new and very young just because he only avrages 37 means nothing at this stage for a 21 year old. I would expect him to lift that avrage to around 44-48.

02-11-2002, 06:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	look at soem of clarkes stats : Vice captain and captain of the Aus u/19's in sucessive years on the tour of england (when he was vice captain)he got a hundred in one of the tests (others on the tour were Clingleffer, Hauritz,klinger etc) sis crap in the u/19 world cup - spend half if it opening this season he has 2 50's and a 48 in ING cup and 2 hundreds in the Pura cup

02-11-2002, 07:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Some of Ian Bell: Captain of England Under 19's for several years with many centuries Averaged 60 in the CC when only 19 Had a poor season last season but still won the Man of the Match award in the (Supercup?) Final at Lords for his 64* which won the match for Warwickshire. Twice called up for the England Academy, England A Tour when 19 shortly before he played his 1st full season for Warwickshire and drafted into the party to tour New Zealand in early 2002. All in all not bad...and I've heard his brother Keith ain't half bad either...

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