Wicketkeeper for 1946-65 World Test XI

aussie tragic · 24-11-2006, 07:50 AM

This is now a 4-day poll to select the Wicketkeeper for the 1946-65 World Test XI

Imtiaz Ahmed (Pak): 38 tests, 90 dismissals (74/16) --- 2.4 per match --- 2010 runs @ 30.45 (3/11) HS 209
Gerry Alexander (WI): 25 tests, 90 dismissals (85/5) --- 3.6 per match --- 961 runs @ 30.03 (1/7) HS 108
Wally Grout (Aus): 47 tests, 172 dismissals (148/24) --- 3.7 per match --- 865 runs @ 15.85 (0/3) HS 74
Don Tallon (Aus): 21 tests, 58 dismissals (50/8) --- 2.8 per match --- 394 runs @ 17.13 (0/2) HS 92
Godfrey Evans (Eng): 91 tests, 219 dismissals (173/46) --- 2.4 per match --- 2439 runs @ 20.49 (2/8) HS 104
Jim Parks (Eng): 30 tests, 70 dismissals (62/8) --- 2.3 per match --- 1292 runs @ 33.12 (2/6) HS 108*
John Waite (SA): 49 tests, 141 dismissals (124/17) --- 2.9 per match --- 2336 runs @ 30.33 (4/16) HS 134

The 1946-65 World Test XI so far:

1. Len Hutton (Eng)
2. Arthur Morris (Aus)
3. Clyde Walcott (WI)
4. Everton Weekes (WI)

Matt79 · 24-11-2006, 07:54 AM

Waite for me. Tallon in the time frame specified was still spectacular by all accounts, but was only a shadow of the player he was before the war. Evans would be my second choice, but Waite's batting got him over the line IMO.

aussie tragic · 24-11-2006, 08:00 AM

From what I've heard, I think Wally Grout or Don Tallon are the best keepers, however as I think a keeper should also have a decent batting average, I've shortlisted Waite, Parks & Ahmed for now.

Edit: Waite it is.

Poker Boy · 24-11-2006, 08:11 AM

Godfery Evans.

FaaipDeOiad · 24-11-2006, 08:54 AM

Waite ahead of Grout on the grounds of his superor batting. I think he's generally considered to be South Africa's best keeper anyway, so it's a fair choice.

Perm · 24-11-2006, 01:20 PM

John Waite for me.

Goughy · 24-11-2006, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Waite ahead of Grout on the grounds of his superor batting. I think he's generally considered to be South Africa's best keeper anyway, so it's a fair choice.

Not really. He is well respected, but most South Africans i've met would rate Denis Lindsay as SA's alltime keeper.

dass · 24-11-2006, 03:11 PM

too old to remember for me

oz_fan · 24-11-2006, 03:21 PM

I'll go with Waite for his batting. Bradman rated Tallon very highly ( he had him in his all-time team) but his batting at test level by the time he was selected was not up to the high standard he had already set in his earlier FC career.

cameeel · 24-11-2006, 07:22 PM

Tallon

FaaipDeOiad · 24-11-2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goughy

Not really. He is well respected, but most South Africans i've met would rate Denis Lindsay as SA's alltime keeper.

That's based on his batting though, yes? No denying Lindsay was a vastly superior batsman, and Boucher probably is too. I was talking about glovework.

C_C · 24-11-2006, 10:04 PM

This is just ridiculous.
Catches/matches ?
I dont think people know cricket if they are gonna use catches/match as a benchmark for wicketkeeping.

aussie tragic · 24-11-2006, 11:14 PM

^

I've tried to put as many stats as possible on all of the polls so far, however I don't think people would actually pick a keeper based on dismissals/match (e.g. Knott was chosen for 1966-85 XI with a very low ratio).

bagapath · 25-11-2006, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_C

This is just ridiculous.
Catches/matches ?
I dont think people know cricket if they are gonna use catches/match as a benchmark for wicketkeeping.

If you know cricket and if you have a better yardstick, please go ahead and apply that before making your choice. you can ignore any stat that you dont need.

and if you let us know why you made your choice it will help in a healthy discussion.

bagapath · 25-11-2006, 02:18 AM

I went for Waite. This was something I had made up my mind weeks ago knowing runs from lower order would mean a lot to this team.

View Poll Results: Wicketkeeper for 1946-65 World Test XI
Imtiaz Ahmed	3	13.04%
Gerry Alexander	1	4.35%
Godfrey Evans	5	21.74%
Wally Grout	2	8.70%
Jim Parks	0	0%
Don Tallon	2	8.70%
John Waite	10	43.48%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

24-11-2006, 07:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
aussie tragic International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 2,255	Wicketkeeper for 1946-65 World Test XI This is now a 4-day poll to select the Wicketkeeper for the 1946-65 World Test XI Imtiaz Ahmed (Pak): 38 tests, 90 dismissals (74/16) --- 2.4 per match --- 2010 runs @ 30.45 (3/11) HS 209 Gerry Alexander (WI): 25 tests, 90 dismissals (85/5) --- 3.6 per match --- 961 runs @ 30.03 (1/7) HS 108 Wally Grout (Aus): 47 tests, 172 dismissals (148/24) --- 3.7 per match --- 865 runs @ 15.85 (0/3) HS 74 Don Tallon (Aus): 21 tests, 58 dismissals (50/8) --- 2.8 per match --- 394 runs @ 17.13 (0/2) HS 92 Godfrey Evans (Eng): 91 tests, 219 dismissals (173/46) --- 2.4 per match --- 2439 runs @ 20.49 (2/8) HS 104 Jim Parks (Eng): 30 tests, 70 dismissals (62/8) --- 2.3 per match --- 1292 runs @ 33.12 (2/6) HS 108* John Waite (SA): 49 tests, 141 dismissals (124/17) --- 2.9 per match --- 2336 runs @ 30.33 (4/16) HS 134 The 1946-65 World Test XI so far: 1. Len Hutton (Eng) 2. Arthur Morris (Aus) 3. Clyde Walcott (WI) 4. Everton Weekes (WI) Last edited by aussie tragic; 24-11-2006 at 09:02 AM.

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aussie tragic International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 2,255	From what I've heard, I think Wally Grout or Don Tallon are the best keepers, however as I think a keeper should also have a decent batting average, I've shortlisted Waite, Parks & Ahmed for now. Edit: Waite it is. Last edited by aussie tragic; 24-11-2006 at 08:07 AM.

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C_C International Captain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: World Posts: 6,990	This is just ridiculous. Catches/matches ? I dont think people know cricket if they are gonna use catches/match as a benchmark for wicketkeeping.

24-11-2006, 11:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
aussie tragic International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 2,255	^ I've tried to put as many stats as possible on all of the polls so far, however I don't think people would actually pick a keeper based on dismissals/match (e.g. Knott was chosen for 1966-85 XI with a very low ratio). Last edited by aussie tragic; 25-11-2006 at 12:50 AM.

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bagapath International Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,608	I went for Waite. This was something I had made up my mind weeks ago knowing runs from lower order would mean a lot to this team.

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