Rank the teams on competitive ability away from home

Salamuddin · 19-11-2006, 04:35 PM

My Ranking (from best to worst)
1) Australia
2) England
3) Pakistan
4) India
5) South Africa
6) Sri Lanka
7) New Zealand
8) West Indies.

silentstriker · 19-11-2006, 04:36 PM

South Africa is better than India away. India won their first series outside the subcontinent in 20 years just this year against WI.

Salamuddin · 19-11-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

South Africa is better than India away. India won their first series outside the subcontinent in 20 years just this year against WI.

Pretty marginal difference between the two teams imo.
In the last five years, SOuth AFrica too have only scored 2 away series win ...both against The Windies in 2001 and 2005. India have 2 ...against Pakistan and the West Indies.
South Africa got a 1-1 draw in NZL in 2004 whereas India got beaten 2-0 in 2002 but SAffies were hammered 3-0 in Australia but India got a draw in 2003-2004 and remain the only team to have won a 'live' test in Australia this decade.

Goughy · 19-11-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Salamuddin

My Ranking (from best to worst)
1) Australia
2) England
3) Pakistan
4) India
5) South Africa
6) Sri Lanka
7) New Zealand
8) West Indies.

What are you basing the rankings on?

If I have time Ill look at the combined records for each team in their last series away against each other nation.

Salamuddin · 19-11-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Goughy

What are you basing the rankings on?

If I have time Ill look at the combined records for each team in their last series away against each other nation.

Memory.....

But Re: RSA and INdia , I belive thsese are the results of the teams against others way from home in their last series.

RSA:
V Aus: 0-3
v PAK : 0-1
v ENG : 2-2
v NZL: 1-1
v WI: 2-0
v SL: 0-2
v IND: 0-1

W 5 Lost 9

INdia:
v AUS: 1-1
v PAK: 0-1
v ENG: 1-1
v NZL: 0-2
v WI: 1-0
v SL: 1-2
v SAF 0-1

W 4 : Lost 8

So I was right, the difference is marginal....

Goughy · 19-11-2006, 05:31 PM

Yep, the difference between India and SA is marginal.

Based on last away series against each of the other major 7 nations

Win %
Aus 68.00%
Eng 30.77%
SA 23.81%
Pak 22.22%
India 18.18%
Sri 12.50%
NZ 6.67%
WI 0.00%

Loss %
Aus 16.00%
India 36.36%
Eng 38.46%
SA 42.86%
NZ 53.33%
Pak 55.56%
Sri 56.25%
WI 85.00%

In Ranked Order

1. Aus - By a mile
2. Eng - Clear 2nd
3. 4. SA/India - Too close to call
5. Pak
6. Sri - Above NZ for better win record
7. NZ
8. West Indies - Clear last without an away win

silentstriker · 19-11-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Goughy

Yep, the difference between India and SA is marginal.

Based on last away series against each of the other major 7 nations

Win %
Aus 68.00%
Eng 30.77%
SA 23.81%
Pak 22.22%
India 18.18%
Sri 12.50%
NZ 6.67%
WI 0.00%

Loss %
Aus 16.00%
India 36.36%
Eng 38.46%
SA 42.86%
NZ 53.33%
Pak 55.56%
Sri 56.25%
WI 85.00%

In Ranked Order

1. Aus - By a mile
2. Eng - Clear 2nd
3. 4. SA/India - To close to call
5. Pak
6. Sri - Above NZ for better win record
7. NZ
8. West Indies - Clear last without an away win

Are you counting test wins or series wins? I'm a bit surprised actually that India is the 3rd/4th best away team? Seems odd to me.

Can you expand that to the last two series away per country? Just to get a slightly better idea over a longer period?

Goughy · 19-11-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

Are you counting test wins or series wins? I'm a bit surprised actually that India is the 3rd/4th best away team? Seems odd to me.

Sorry, I should have explained.

Its on a per test basis, not on a series basis.

India benefit from being hard to beat.

silentstriker · 19-11-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Goughy

Sorry, I should have explained.

Its on a per test basis, not on a series basis.

India benefit from being hard to beat.

Can you run it for the last two series against each of the top nations instead of one? To get a slightly better sample?

Unless its a lot of work for you.

Goughy · 19-11-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

Can you run it for the last two series against each of the top nations instead of one? To get a slightly better sample?

Unless its a lot of work for you.

Its 3.10 am here. Maybe tomorrow

vic_orthdox · 19-11-2006, 06:44 PM

Maybe you've got to question the relevance to current sides of what happened two tours ago, as well...

silentstriker · 19-11-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Maybe you've got to question the relevance to current sides of what happened two tours ago, as well...

Well a lot of countries have been historically a certain way. And besides the period is what 5 years anyway? Every side five years ago is probably dramatically different from the side now.

chaminda_00 · 19-11-2006, 06:58 PM

Can't believe Sri Lanka is not last.

silentstriker · 19-11-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chaminda_00

Can't believe Sri Lanka is not last.

They just drew a series with the 2nd best side in the world playing away!

Jono · 19-11-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

Are you counting test wins or series wins? I'm a bit surprised actually that India is the 3rd/4th best away team? Seems odd to me.

Can you expand that to the last two series away per country? Just to get a slightly better idea over a longer period?

The reason you're surprised is because of the stereotype you endorse.

India are far from awesome away from home, but they're no easy-beats, that's for sure.

19-11-2006, 04:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Salamuddin International Debutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lakemba, Sydney Posts: 2,074	Rank the teams on competitive ability away from home My Ranking (from best to worst) 1) Australia 2) England 3) Pakistan 4) India 5) South Africa 6) Sri Lanka 7) New Zealand 8) West Indies.

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Goughy International Coach Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: All Over Posts: 14,636	Yep, the difference between India and SA is marginal. Based on last away series against each of the other major 7 nations Win % Aus 68.00% Eng 30.77% SA 23.81% Pak 22.22% India 18.18% Sri 12.50% NZ 6.67% WI 0.00% Loss % Aus 16.00% India 36.36% Eng 38.46% SA 42.86% NZ 53.33% Pak 55.56% Sri 56.25% WI 85.00% In Ranked Order 1. Aus - By a mile 2. Eng - Clear 2nd 3. 4. SA/India - Too close to call 5. Pak 6. Sri - Above NZ for better win record 7. NZ 8. West Indies - Clear last without an away win Last edited by Goughy; 19-11-2006 at 06:11 PM.

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