Rank the following Turbinators

[Turbinator]

Rank the following Turbinators in terms of "who is/was more valuable to his team and a better cricketer".

Navjot Sidhu, Harbhajan Singh, Panesar, Bishan Singh Bedi, Turbinator (The Great One Himself ( Me ) ).

Navjot Sidhu

Batting:

Tests: 51 matches 78 innings 3202 runs 201 highest 42.13 average
ODIs: 136 matches 127 innings 4413 runs 134* highest 37.08 average

Harbhajan Singh

Bowling:

Tests: 57 matches 238 wickets 29.86 average 2.81 economy
ODIs: 137 matches 162 wickets 31.00 average 4.08 economy

Panesar

Bowling:

Tests: 10 matches 32 wickets 32.40 average 2.58 economy
ODIs: Did not debut yet.

Bishan Singh Bedi

Bowling:

Tests: 67 matches 266 wickets 28.71 average 2.14 economy
ODIs: 10 matches 7 wickets 48.57 average 3.45 economy

Turbinator

Tests: Did not debut yet.
ODIs: Did not debut yet.

Side notes: Great potential could be the next greatest allrounder.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Well considering that Sidhu didn't bowl much, I'll disregard him.

As for the others...

Bedi
Harbhajan
Panesar
Turbinator

In the commentary rankings, it's pretty obvious that there's only one winner.

[Turbinator]

Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

Well considering that Sidhu didn't bowl much, I'll disregard him.

As for the others...

Bedi
Harbhajan
Panesar
Turbinator

In the commentary rankings, it's pretty obvious that there's only one winner.

But I am not asking whose the better bowler, I am asking who was more valuable to his team and an overall better cricketer.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Turbinator

But I am not asking whose the better bowler, I am asking who was more valuable to his team and an overall better cricketer.

Value to the team, fair enough.
But I think it's pretty unfair to compare a good batsman and a good bowler as to who is the better cricketer. It's not the same as comparing Don Bradman and Adam Sanford.

[Turbinator]

Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

Value to the team, fair enough.
But I think it's pretty unfair to compare a good batsman and a good bowler as to who is the better cricketer. It's not the same as comparing Don Bradman and Adam Sanford.

But you can judge by determining who has achieved or tasted more success in their area of the game.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Turbinator

But you can judge by determining who has achieved or tasted more success in their area of the game.

How do you judge that though? When two players have achieved a reasonable amount of success. Bedi, Harbhajan and Sidhu have all had good career and can be considered successful. How do you then compare a good bowling performance with a good batting performance?

Are Sidhu's 443 runs in his 6 Tests against Australia better than Harbhajan's 58 wickets in 8 Tests against Australia? Is Sidhu's 201 better than Harbhajan's 8-84?

[Turbinator]

Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

How do you judge that though? When two players have achieved a reasonable amount of success. Bedi, Harbhajan and Sidhu have all had good career and can be considered successful. How do you then compare a good bowling performance with a good batting performance?

Are Sidhu's 443 runs in his 6 Tests against Australia better than Harbhajan's 58 wickets in 8 Tests against Australia? Is Sidhu's 201 better than Harbhajan's 8-84?

Then you resort to ranking them by how valuable they were to their teams. For example, if you really are having a hard time with this, think about who you would rather have on your team and rank them higher.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Turbinator

Then you resort to ranking them by how valuable they were to their teams. For example, if you really are having a hard time with this, think about who you would rather have on your team and rank them higher.

*sigh* It really depends on whether my team needs a batsman or a bowler.

How is this not clear? In the current West Indian team I'd take Ambrose before I'd take Richards. That doesn't mean I rate either higher or lower than the other.

Apples and rocks.

[Turbinator]

Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk

*sigh* It really depends on whether my team needs a batsman or a bowler.

How is this not clear? In the current West Indian team I'd take Ambrose before I'd take Richards. That doesn't mean I rate either higher or lower than the other.

Apples and rocks.

Suppose you had 5 equally great bowlers and 5 equally great batsmen! Now pick one.

Takes apple and bites into it.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Turbinator

Suppose you had 5 equally great bowlers and 5 equally great batsmen! Now pick one.

Takes apple and bites into it.

I have to agree with Mr mxy. It depends on your team? Is Curtly Ambrose a better player than Brian Lara? Its an impossible comparison.

Its hard enough comparing batsmen between two different teams or two different eras...when you get into the batsman vs. bowler...it just becomes impossible.

[Johnners]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

I have to agree with Mr mxy. It depends on your team? Is Curtly Ambrose a better player than Brian Lara? Its an impossible comparison.

Its hard enough comparing batsmen between two different teams or two different eras...when you get into the batsman vs. bowler...it just becomes impossible.

Unless Dave Mohammed or Rikki Clarke enter the frey

[ColdSnow]

Doesn't Sidhu have the distinction of being the first batter to ever "tame and milk" shane warne?

[Dravid]

Bedi
Bhaji
Panesar
Sidhu
Turnbinator.

[Matt79]

Turbinator is #1 obviously - given the poor lad had the misfortune to be raised in a non-cricketing environment. I've been reliably informed by an impeccable source that he would have been as good a bat as Sachin, and bowled a bit like Imran if only he'd not been deprived of opportunity and coaching resources as a child!

[Turbinator]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Turbinator is #1 obviously - given the poor lad had the misfortune to be raised in a non-cricketing environment. I've been reliably informed by an impeccable source that he would have been as good a bat as Sachin, and bowled a bit like Imran if only he'd not been deprived of opportunity and coaching resources as a child!

Thankyou! Finally, someone understands my situation !