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    Gambhir or Jaffer???

    The recent selection made by the indian board has raised a few eyebrows; Wasim Jaffer in the squad over Gambhir! What's your opinion? I think that its worth giving jaffer a chance, but gambhir seemed to be getting into some sort of form in ODIs.

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    I'm of the opinion that, for the most part, those who play Tests should also play ODI's.

    I don't buy this 'ODI Specialist' player crap. Very few (Bevan is an exception) people do fantastic in ODI's but badly in tests (and vice versa). Your test team are your most elite players, and they should be the ones playing.
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    Bad move, but let's give Jaffer a chance to make his case in South Africa.
    At least we have a reserve opener in the squad now; Sehwag should have his tail up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    I'm of the opinion that, for the most part, those who play Tests should also play ODI's.

    I don't buy this 'ODI Specialist' player crap. Very few (Bevan is an exception) people do fantastic in ODI's but badly in tests (and vice versa). Your test team are your most elite players, and they should be the ones playing.
    Not really. One-day cricket demands that you rotate the strike efficiently and stroke boundaries regularly. Test cricket demands a certain temperament and the ability to grind it out somewhat. While most good batsmen should be adept in both formats, they are not identical. Also, some players don't do well for reasons that are difficult to explain. You don't keep playing them because they "should be doing well"; you give the chance to someone who "should be doing well" and actually "is doing well".

    Anyways, the important part here is that Gambhir is in very good form at the moment. There's no way you can write off Jaffer, but at the moment it's the wrong move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    I'm of the opinion that, for the most part, those who play Tests should also play ODI's.

    I don't buy this 'ODI Specialist' player crap. Very few (Bevan is an exception) people do fantastic in ODI's but badly in tests (and vice versa). Your test team are your most elite players, and they should be the ones playing.
    There's so much wrong with that its ridiculous. So I guess Vaughan deserves to be in England's ODI team hey? Ajay Jadeja, one of India's best ODI players in the 90s should have played test cricket? Robin Singh too? What about Matthew Hoggard, should he be playing ODI cricket for England?

    Anyway, clearly Gambhir should have been selected over Jaffer. That crap about SA wickets being more lively so Jaffer would handle it better was stupid considering we're talking about ODIs. Wasn't 434 successfully scored and then chased down in SA a few months ago?
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    I'm against it. Jaffer imo should never make his ODI debut agaisnt a team like SAF. India are in bad form right now, instead of bringing in someone who has never played a ODI, bring in someone who has played a few ODI's before, and is in great form in domestic cricket. I'm all in for Jaffer in the Test squad however.

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    I never really saw jaffer as an attacking force. Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't jaffer the same palyer that struggled to place the ball on the off-side on a regular basis? If that is the case, then surely he should not be playing ODIs. Dravid is a strong leg-side player, but he can play well on the off-side as well.
    Gambhir wasn't selected because jaffer was better technically. But, IMO, all Jaffer can do is defend...not score runs as a good pace. If he plays, i hope he proves me wrong, but i somewhat doubt it!

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    Not very good move by the slectors but i guess we must give Jaffer a chance before totally dismissing him.... it might have been a a better idea to give Jaffer a chance in DLF or even Champs trophy. Whats the point now.... if he fails what are they going to do.. Just go back to Gambhir again ?
    India don't have any other series before world cup after this so pretty dumb move by selectors. Gambhir or even a yougster like Uttappa (sp?) would havee been better.

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    Wasim Jaffer has done enough to book a run in the Indian team. If the likes of Yuvraj Singh get persisted with in Tests, then surely Jaffer should too.

    In his last 7 Tests, Jaffer has played 13 innings with 0 not outs and averages 47.84 Take out his highest score in that period (212) and he averages 34.16.

    In his last 7 Tests, Sehwag has played 13 innings with 1 not out and averages 37.66. Take out his highest score in that period (180) and he averages 24.72.

    So basically, Jaffer has outperformed India's "number one" opener. So unless it's an argument for Jaffer and Gambhir to open and Sehwag to slip into the middle order, I think Jaffer definitely deserves the go. Gambhir averages 27.63 in his last 7 Tests. He has 3 big scores in Tests to date - 96 v SA, 139 v Ban and 97 v Zim.

    In ODIs it's a different story. None of Gambhir, Jaffer or Sehwag look particularly enterprising prospects as ODI openers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Wasim Jaffer has done enough to book a run in the Indian team. If the likes of Yuvraj Singh get persisted with in Tests, then surely Jaffer should too.

    In his last 7 Tests, Jaffer has played 13 innings with 0 not outs and averages 47.84 Take out his highest score in that period (212) and he averages 34.16.

    In his last 7 Tests, Sehwag has played 13 innings with 1 not out and averages 37.66. Take out his highest score in that period (180) and he averages 24.72.

    So basically, Jaffer has outperformed India's "number one" opener. So unless it's an argument for Jaffer and Gambhir to open and Sehwag to slip into the middle order, I think Jaffer definitely deserves the go. Gambhir averages 27.63 in his last 7 Tests. He has 3 big scores in Tests to date - 96 v SA, 139 v Ban and 97 v Zim.

    In ODIs it's a different story. None of Gambhir, Jaffer or Sehwag look particularly enterprising prospects as ODI openers.
    I don't see how you think Gambhir doesnt look like a good prospect for ODI openers looking at his recent domestic form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dravid
    I don't see how you think Gambhir doesnt look like a good prospect for ODI openers looking at his recent domestic form.
    I haven't been following Indian cricket closely of late, but I remember he scored a ton and a half-century for India Red (?). What kind of form has he been in lately aside from that? <--- Genuine question. Because his career average certainly doesn't reflect anything spectacular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    I haven't been following Indian cricket closely of late, but I remember he scored a ton and a half-century for India Red (?). What kind of form has he been in lately aside from that? <--- Genuine question. Because his career average certainly doesn't reflect anything spectacular.
    He scored 70 and 84 against Central,

    Scored 86 against East Zone in the first and didn't bat in the second inning given they only needed 60 odd runs.

    Scored 20 in first inning and 64* in the second inning for Rest of India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Wasim Jaffer has done enough to book a run in the Indian team. If the likes of Yuvraj Singh get persisted with in Tests, then surely Jaffer should too.

    In his last 7 Tests, Jaffer has played 13 innings with 0 not outs and averages 47.84 Take out his highest score in that period (212) and he averages 34.16.

    In his last 7 Tests, Sehwag has played 13 innings with 1 not out and averages 37.66. Take out his highest score in that period (180) and he averages 24.72.

    So basically, Jaffer has outperformed India's "number one" opener. So unless it's an argument for Jaffer and Gambhir to open and Sehwag to slip into the middle order, I think Jaffer definitely deserves the go. Gambhir averages 27.63 in his last 7 Tests. He has 3 big scores in Tests to date - 96 v SA, 139 v Ban and 97 v Zim.

    In ODIs it's a different story. None of Gambhir, Jaffer or Sehwag look particularly enterprising prospects as ODI openers.
    Don't think the topic starter was talking about test matches.... Jaffer would be easily ahead of gambhir in test for now at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dravid
    He scored 70 and 84 against Central,

    Scored 86 against East Zone in the first and didn't bat in the second inning given they only needed 60 odd runs.

    Scored 20 in first inning and 64* in the second inning for Rest of India
    Oh, I was talking about OD form. FC form doesn't much relate to one-day internationals. Gambhir has long proven that he can hold the bat in an FC match.

    I don't think it's fair to replace Jaffer in the Test team though, so unless Sehwag gets removed from the opener's spot in Tests, Gambhir's only avenue should be in ODIs.

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