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    Best all-time "Actual" XI

    A lot of threads talk about best all-time XI’s, however I’d like to know what was the best all-time “actual” team (this is not as easy as you’d think).

    As a benchmark, I’ve come up with the WI in the 1st test vs Aus 1984-85, mainly because I think Aussie being demolished for 76 after WI scored 416 was one of the biggest whippings ever

    Greenidge
    Haynes
    Richardson
    Gomes
    Richards
    *Lloyd
    +Dujon
    Marshall
    Holding
    Garner
    Walsh

    http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...12NOV1984.html

    btw, I picked this team by going to cricingfo statguru, typed marshall and then clicked on his tests until I found 10 other players that were worthy of his company (Only found 9 though as not happy about Gomes)
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    Well, one of the windies teams, the invincibles or even some of the recent aussie teams (circa 2000?) would fit into it.
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    I also name the following Aussie XI which played the 1st test against England in 2001.

    Slater
    Hayden
    Ponting
    M. Waugh
    *S. Waugh
    Martyn
    +Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath


    http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2...09JUL2001.html

    or Aussie XI vs Eng in 5th test 1948

    Barnes
    Morris
    *Bradman
    Hassett
    Miller
    Harvey
    Loxton
    Lindwall
    +Tallon
    Ring
    Johnston


    http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...18AUG1948.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic
    I also name the following Aussie XI which played the 1st test against England in 2001.

    Slater
    Hayden
    Ponting
    M. Waugh
    *S. Waugh
    Martyn
    +Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath


    http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2...09JUL2001.html
    Didn't this team lose 2-1 in India? I think Langer was in the Indian team, but other than that...

    Can't be the best ever if you lose a series IMO.


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    Lee wasn't in that team, and some other pacers were brought in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    Didn't this team lose 2-1 in India? I think Langer was in the Indian team, but other than that...

    Can't be the best ever if you lose a series IMO.
    The Indian series was before the English series I mentioned and Langer was replaced by Martyn, while Lee came in for Fleming/Kasprowicz/Miller, so I stand by the Aussie 2001 team being better than the one beaten 2-1 by India (btw, since the India loss, Aus didn't lose another series until the Ashes last year).

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    I'm trying to remember the England team that had Laker, Lock, May, Compton, Wardle, Trueman and so on in it, that would have to be up there.

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    Some memory as I had to search for quite awhile to find Eng vs WI 1954, but while it looks good on paper, it should be noted that they only drew the series 2-2

    *Hutton
    Bailey
    May
    Compton
    Watson
    Graveney
    +Evans
    Wardle
    Lock
    Laker
    Trueman
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    Yeah thanks. That's pretty much what I was thinking of, on paper it is as good as that Aus one, if not better.

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    Although they weren't together very long and might not quite match some of the other great sides mentioned, the Australian sides that beat England and the West Indies on successive tours in the mid-70's are worthy of mention especially as Lillee, Thomson and the Chappel brother's were near their peak at that time.

    IR Redpath
    RB McCosker
    IM Chappell
    GS Chappell
    R Edwards
    KD Walters
    RW Marsh
    MHN Walker
    DK Lillee
    AA Mallett
    JR Thomson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson
    IR Redpath
    RB McCosker
    IM Chappell
    GS Chappell
    R Edwards
    KD Walters
    RW Marsh
    MHN Walker
    DK Lillee
    AA Mallett
    JR Thomson
    I'm willing to think that this is pretty close to my favouite Assie XI (except put Hookes for Edwards) and I wonder what dominance Australia would have had if they didn't immediately split to Packer's WSC
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    Greenidge
    Haynes
    Richards
    Kallicharan
    Lloyd
    Gomes
    Murray/Dujon
    Roberts
    Holding
    Garner
    Croft

    I'd back this team against anyone and that too, significantly.

    PS: Thanks for pointing out the typo, grecian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic
    A lot of threads talk about best all-time XI’s, however I’d like to know what was the best all-time “actual” team (this is not as easy as you’d think).

    As a benchmark, I’ve come up with the WI in the 1st test vs Aus 1984-85, mainly because I think Aussie being demolished for 76 after WI scored 416 was one of the biggest whippings ever

    Greenidge
    Haynes
    Richardson
    Gomes
    Richards
    *Lloyd
    +Dujon
    Marshall
    Holding
    Garner
    Walsh

    http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...12NOV1984.html

    btw, I picked this team by going to cricingfo statguru, typed marshall and then clicked on his tests until I found 10 other players that were worthy of his company (Only found 9 though as not happy about Gomes)
    Well I wouldn't underestimate Gomes he was often a useful foil to the stroke players around him, but yes, maybe not a great. Kallicharan would be better.

    Oh, and CC, maybe too many Lloyds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Greenidge
    Haynes
    Richards
    Kallicharan
    Lloyd
    Gomes
    Murray/Dujon
    Roberts
    Holding
    Garner
    Croft

    I'd back this team against anyone and that too, significantly.
    but when did they actually play together in a test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Greenidge
    Haynes
    Richards
    Kallicharan
    Lloyd
    Gomes
    Murray/Dujon
    Roberts
    Holding
    Garner
    Croft

    I'd back this team against anyone and that too, significantly.

    PS: Thanks for pointing out the typo, grecian.
    I don't believe this team ever played together. It's a theoretical XI, basically. The one aussie tragic posted is as close as you'll get.

    Incidentally, the best Australian XI I've seen was the one that demolished South Africa 5-1 home and away in 2001/02.

    Langer
    Hayden
    Ponting
    M Waugh
    S Waugh
    Martyn
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath

    The alternative to this would be one without Mark Waugh and with Lehmann in his place, but I'm not sure Lehmann ever played with that exact set of 10 other players, due to Warne's ban and then Waugh's retirement coming in the same year. So Mark Waugh it is.
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