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    New Series to Snub Ashes

    Okay, so is everyone who is not pro English or Australian sick of the Ashes build up already? Why not promote new series like:

    An on going series (once every 18 months / 2 years) between India and Pakistan called the "Memorial Series" in honour of all those killed in fighting between the two nations.

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    SA versus Zimbabwe called the "African Heat Series"

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    New Zealand / West Indies series called the trans Pacific Challenge.

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    A series between the #1 ranked team and the second ranked team, once every 4 years, like a test World Cup

    All of these rivalries go back a long way, and although everyone enjoys the ashes, lets include other nations, it's not their fault they didn't invent the game...

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    Back with a bang eh dean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean
    All of these rivalries go back a long way, and although everyone enjoys the ashes, lets include other nations, it's not their fault they didn't invent the game...
    Whos fault is it then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean
    All of these rivalries go back a long way, and although everyone enjoys the ashes, lets include other nations, it's not their fault they didn't invent the game...
    This holds true for all other nations yea, but not India and Pakistan. We have our own rivalry which, to us, holds much more significance than the Ashes. So yea England and Australia are not the only ones having fun, whenever India Pak play their fans are enjoying too.

    But this does hold true for other nations, I agree. I like the NZLand vs West Indies idea. They can start their own rivalry.


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    But guys, isn't the point that you can't manufacture rivalry? It grows from history or from countries being neighbours and having a geographical rivalry.

    India v Pakistan - historical & geographical
    Aus v England - historical
    Aus v WI - historical
    NZ v Aus - geographical

    All players go out to win every match, but certain games are more keenly fought than others, because of the history between the countries playing in them. For example, the WI v Aus rivalry really started with the 1960-61 series, as an example, and carried on in 1975-76 then the 80s, which is why, when Australia towelled WI last year, not many people here had sympathy for them, remembering the bruises we got through the 80s.

    The Ashes is one of the oldest rivalries in sport.

    India v Pakistan is one of the most heated rivalries in sport, it's got the lost - warring countries, passionate fans, historical connection, the whole shebang. It's developed over decades and isn't something which is just manufactured for the sake of rivalling other series.
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    Eng vs. WI is pretty good too, historically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey
    But guys, isn't the point that you can't manufacture rivalry? It grows from history or from countries being neighbours and having a geographical rivalry.

    India v Pakistan - historical & geographical
    Aus v England - historical
    Aus v WI - historical
    NZ v Aus - geographical

    All players go out to win every match, but certain games are more keenly fought than others, because of the history between the countries playing in them. For example, the WI v Aus rivalry really started with the 1960-61 series, as an example, and carried on in 1975-76 then the 80s, which is why, when Australia towelled WI last year, not many people here had sympathy for them, remembering the bruises we got through the 80s.

    The Ashes is one of the oldest rivalries in sport.

    India v Pakistan is one of the most heated rivalries in sport, it's got the lost - warring countries, passionate fans, historical connection, the whole shebang. It's developed over decades and isn't something which is just manufactured for the sake of rivalling other series.
    Yea but think about it this way, if let's say WI propose NZLand a series to be played every 2 years, the amount of cricket the two teams will play will increase and so will the amount of GOOD AND EXCITING cricket. Sooner than later the two teams will find a heated rivalry between themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator
    Yea but think about it this way, if let's say WI propose NZLand a series to be played every 2 years, the amount of cricket the two teams will play will increase and so will the amount of GOOD AND EXCITING cricket. Sooner than later the two teams will find a heated rivalry between themselves.
    I doubt if Chris Martin sent down a couple of ‘coolie creepers’ to Sarwan and Chanderpaul such a series would get heated or even animated.

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    And to answer your question: I am really looking forward to the Ashes even though I am not English or Australian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy
    I doubt if Chris Martin sent down a couple of ‘coolie creepers’ to Sarwan and Chanderpaul such a series would get heated or even animated.
    I agree that a heated rivalry won't be built so soon and through just one series and a few incidents, but maybe after a little while yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean
    A series between the #1 ranked team and the second ranked team, once every 4 years, like a test World Cup
    So, England vs Australia then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator
    I agree that a heated rivalry won't be built so soon and through just one series and a few incidents, but maybe after a little while yes.
    Well the West Indies notoriously hate playing in New Zealand so that could help the rivalry. Only need captain Fleming to say would a **** hole and horrible life it is playing in the warm climes of say St Kitts and it will kick off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean
    Okay, so is everyone who is not pro English or Australian sick of the Ashes build up already? Why not promote new series like:

    An on going series (once every 18 months / 2 years) between India and Pakistan called the "Memorial Series" in honour of all those killed in fighting between the two nations.

    OR:

    SA versus Zimbabwe called the "African Heat Series"

    Or:

    New Zealand / West Indies series called the trans Pacific Challenge.

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    A series between the #1 ranked team and the second ranked team, once every 4 years, like a test World Cup

    All of these rivalries go back a long way, and although everyone enjoys the ashes, lets include other nations, it's not their fault they didn't invent the game...
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    You can't just build rivalries like this, even if we started for example a test series between WI and NZ every 2 years it would take 20 years or so before the teams consider it to be a grudge series. It just won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    So, England vs Australia then?
    No more like Australia vs "fill in any team".

    England is not good and consistent enough to occupy the number 2 spot for long. TBH I don't find this English team to be really all that, winning the Ashes was a fluke, they not only suck in ODIs they are also not that great in Tests. Right now I sound like a complete idiot, but watch in a few months. England, IMO, is very overrated. Because they aren't so great in ODIs, after one Ashes win, you english fans are getting excited about them being all that in Tests. It's as if the english fans and the english media need something to look up to.

    I know I sounded like a complete idiot, but wait and watch. And I am not saying India are all that either, they suck too!

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