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    Quote Originally Posted by Kweek
    England U12 - USA would be a tight contest
    USA actually has some good players now. They got rid of all the 40 yr olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    So how many English bowlers have averaged >25 with the ball in that period?
    No English bowler has had a career average of < 25 since Statham and Truman retired in 1965. So it appears they can't bat or bowl

    Edit: Bob Willis was close as he averaged 25.20
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic
    Then how come Aussie bits n pieces players like Cameron White, Ian Harvey and Andy Bichel can come to England and all of a sudden become leading batsmen in county cricket? Also, Hussey and Lehman were almost Bradmanesque in England and yet couldn't get into the Aussie test side?
    It could be that by the time the Australian journeymen reach County Cricket they've already harnessed their technique on better pitches and are able to treat the poor standard of bowling with contempt. I think some of the current England players would be capable of being just as prolific in County Cricket if they were allowed to play.
    In our entire history England have had few genuinely great batsman which you would call really special like a Richards, Lara, Tendulkar, Chappell or Pollock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson
    In our entire history England have had few genuinely great batsman which you would call really special like a Richards, Lara, Tendulkar, Chappell or Pollock.
    I think you're being a bit harsh on Hammond, Barrington, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Hobbs & Compton....

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    England have a number of good batsmen at the moment but one or more of them has to make the step up. There is a very good chance that one of Bell, Cook or Pietersen will finish with an average of 50 or higher. I dont see the dominance of the batsman over the bowler ending soon so atleast one of them should achieve this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic
    I think you're being a bit harsh on Hammond, Barrington, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Hobbs & Compton....
    I didn't say there weren't any, that's why I used the word "few". Even in that list Barrington is not a Richards etc who would dominate an attack, he was a grafter in the Boycott mold - and like uncle Geoffrey he was onced dropped from the next match for scoring too slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson
    In our entire history England have had few genuinely great batsman which you would call really special like a Richards, Lara, Tendulkar, Chappell or Pollock.

    Ever heard of Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond, Denis Compton, Andrew Sandham, Graham Gooch, Geoff Boycott, Len Hutton, WG Grace, Eh Hendren, Frank Woolley, Phil Mead, and many nore who I can't be bothered to say. There are so many it's stupid. England have had more 'Great' batsmen thatn any other country, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire
    England have had more 'Great' batsmen thatn any other country, period.
    Just none in the last 40 years that can average 50+ over a career it seems
    Last edited by aussie tragic; 02-11-2006 at 11:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire
    Ever heard of Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond, Denis Compton, Andrew Sandham, Graham Gooch, Geoff Boycott, Len Hutton, WG Grace, Eh Hendren, Frank Woolley, Phil Mead, and many nore who I can't be bothered to say. There are so many it's stupid. England have had more 'Great' batsmen thatn any other country, period.

    The fact that you have to go back to WG Grace just proves the opposite. And how many in the last fifty years? Gooch only averaged in the low 40's and Boycs didn't average 50, though he was probably the closest to doing so. A bit sad really as Boycs average doesn't do him justice IMO. He should have averaged 50.

    But after Boycs, who else is there?
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    My point was to the person who said that in the entire history of English cricket, there have been very few 'Great' players. I quite agree with your point about having few since Boycott.

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    Boycs is the one; if he'd have retired @ the end of the English summer in 1978 (when he was v nearly 38!) he'd have had career stats of 5675 runs @ 51.13.
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    If Paul Collingwood can average forty odd, then one of the good English batsman (i.e not him) should be averaging at least fifty five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    Boycs is the one; if he'd have retired @ the end of the English summer in 1978 (when he was v nearly 38!) he'd have had career stats of 5675 runs @ 51.13.
    Fits you sig perfectly.

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