View Poll Results: Which alltime XI would enjoy the most success against its counterparts?

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  • Australia

    37 38.95%
  • England

    2 2.11%
  • South Africa

    3 3.16%
  • India

    1 1.05%
  • West Indies

    32 33.68%
  • Pakistan

    9 9.47%
  • New Zealand

    1 1.05%
  • Sri Lanka

    1 1.05%
  • Zimbabwe

    2 2.11%
  • Bangladesh

    3 3.16%
  • Other

    4 4.21%
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    Aust:

    Hayden
    Langer\
    Bradman
    G CHapell
    S Waugh
    Border
    Gilchrist
    K Miller
    S Warne
    D Lillee
    G Mcgrath

    vs

    WI

    Hunte
    Greenidge
    Richards
    Lara
    Walcott/Weekes
    Sobers
    Dujon
    Marshall
    Holding
    Ambrose
    Garner

    Hmm i think the Aussies edge it!!!
    Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slifer
    Aust:

    Hayden
    Langer\
    Bradman
    G CHapell
    S Waugh
    Border
    Gilchrist
    K Miller
    S Warne
    D Lillee
    G Mcgrath

    vs

    WI

    Hunte
    Greenidge
    Richards
    Lara
    Walcott/Weekes
    Sobers
    Dujon
    Marshall
    Holding
    Ambrose
    Garner

    Hmm i think the Aussies edge it!!!
    Not with Hayden and Langer opening they wouldnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slifer
    Aust:

    Hayden
    Langer\
    Bradman
    G CHapell
    S Waugh
    Border
    Gilchrist
    K Miller
    S Warne
    D Lillee
    G Mcgrath

    vs

    WI

    Hunte
    Greenidge
    Richards
    Lara
    Walcott/Weekes
    Sobers
    Dujon
    Marshall
    Holding
    Ambrose
    Garner

    Hmm i think the Aussies edge it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    George Headley, Why do people repeatedly forget George Headley? The man only averaged 61 in test cricket.

    I was just thinking that. If he was playing now, then he would have scored over 10,000 test runs, head he played the amount of matches someone like Steve Waugh has (over 150?). It annoys me when people that are far inferior to Headley are called great, but I have very rarely heard him called great. I believe he is not that far off a certain IVA Richards.


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    I gave my vote to the West Indies, just for the pure class and exellence they have in every single position but I was tempted to go for Australia because of Sir Donald Bradman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire
    We don't really know the The Don could cope against Marshall, Holding, Walsh, Ambrose, Patterson and the like on fast, hard, bouncy pitches do we. He may have struggled and not scored the glut of runs that he did on the pitches he played on.
    As Sanz said, nor do we know how they would have coped against him......

    I heard a story related by Dean Jones (whether there's some licence here or not I dunno) where Bradman went into the Windies dressing rooms after the Adelaide test in 1988-89. Jones had made 200 and Merv Hughes 70-odd not out. The team all shook hands with him except Patrick Patterson, who was sitting down. He supposedly looked up at Bradman and said "You Don Bradman?" "Yes". "You Don Bradman?" "Yes" Patterson stands up and says "You tiny, if I bowl to you, I'd get you out, I'd kill you!". Bradman is alleged to have said "Son, you couldn't get Merv Hughes out, how do you think you'd have gone against me?"
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    yeah, good batsmen did enjoy success against the windies, tho it was damned hard work no doubt. no reason to think Don wouldn't have averaged 50+ against them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79
    yeah, good batsmen did enjoy success against the windies, tho it was damned hard work no doubt. no reason to think Don wouldn't have averaged 50+ against them...

    Gavaskar averaged in the 40's, so I would think the Don would average at least 60-70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    Gavaskar averaged in the 40's, so I would think the Don would average at least 60-70.
    against the windies? are you sure? thought he averaged more than his career average against them?

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    Bodyline IMO gives a fair indication of how the DON would have done against PACE LIKE FYAH. I wouldnt put those bodyline bowlers in the same class of pace like fire and if they can ruffle the feathers of the DON then i think that the 4 prong could probably do the same (like on a bouncy Sabina pitch or perth for example). I still expect DOn to be above average though.
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    west indies (they're clearly better than the Australians with Bradman and if Bradman got out cheaply which is a possibility they'd romp)
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    dont forget the south africans

    they are the no.1 all time team IMO.

    g. kirsten
    b. richards
    a.d. nourse (c)
    g.pollock
    j. kallis
    aubrey faulkner
    s.pollock
    m. boucher (wk)
    p.pollock
    h.j. tayfield
    a.donald

    - it has two excellent fast bowlers (one of them - donald - an all time great)
    - two good fast medium bowlers (one - s.pollock - all time great)
    - one off spinner - tayfield. again, an all time great
    - one leggie. faulkner who is one of the most devastating all-rounders of all time.
    - 4 batsmen - richards, g.pollock, nourse and kallis - with a 50 + average. one of them - g.pollock - is good enough for an all time XI.
    - 2 more batsmen - kirsten and faulkner - with a 40+ average
    - and the keeper - boucher - averages above 30.

    a very versatile team. you are welcome to relace b.richards with g.smith if you think barry hasn't played enough test cricket. it is still a fantastic team.

    no 2. Australia:

    trumper
    morris
    bradman (C)
    g.chappell
    harvey
    miller
    gilchrist (WK)
    warne
    lillee
    o'reilly
    mcgrath

    no. 3 England:

    hobbs
    hutton
    barrington
    hammond (c)
    compton
    ames (wk)
    botham
    rhodes
    truman
    barnes
    laker

    no 4. West Indies:

    greenidge
    haynes
    richards (C)
    headley
    lara
    sobers
    dujon (wk)
    marshall
    ambrose
    gibbs
    garner
    Last edited by bagapath; 01-11-2006 at 12:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey
    As Sanz said, nor do we know how they would have coped against him......

    I heard a story related by Dean Jones (whether there's some licence here or not I dunno) where Bradman went into the Windies dressing rooms after the Adelaide test in 1988-89. Jones had made 200 and Merv Hughes 70-odd not out. The team all shook hands with him except Patrick Patterson, who was sitting down. He supposedly looked up at Bradman and said "You Don Bradman?" "Yes". "You Don Bradman?" "Yes" Patterson stands up and says "You tiny, if I bowl to you, I'd get you out, I'd kill you!". Bradman is alleged to have said "Son, you couldn't get Merv Hughes out, how do you think you'd have gone against me?"
    sachin asked the don at his 90th birthday party how he much he would have averaged against the west indian pace battery of the 80s. the don had said "may be around 70". sachin asked if he thought they were too good that they would have brought his average down by 30 runs?. the don is supposed to have said 'son, i would have been over 70 years old. do you expect me to do better than that?"

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    I went with Australia. They have the best batsman of all time (Bradman) and probably the most balanced bowling attack as well (with two of the best fast bowlers of all time and arguably the greatest spinner of all time). I would place the WI second for their superb middle order which includes IMO the best allrounder of all time (Sobers) and their pace attack. Third would go to either England or SA. After that I would have:
    5. Pakistan
    6. India
    7. SL
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    Wont get too much disagreements from me Ozfan though I would place Pakistan a little higher up (perhaps just behind the WI).

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