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    Both should be better than they are.

    In the end I'd probably rather Harmison, but the fact that he makes it so obvious he can't be arsed sometimes is a real turn off for a fast bowler. Lee gives his all every over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Lee gives his all every over.
    This is the one thing I really hate about Brett Lee. When he gives absolutely everything he can be truely fantastic, like he was at Trent Bridge. But most of the time he just goes into idiot mode, or bouncer/yorker mode, like at the Oval, v Pietersen after lunch when he got burned badly, sometimes he needs to just put his brain in gear.

    Harmison, meh, sometimes devastating, rest of the time he goes between average and shocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTheOne
    This is the one thing I really hate about Brett Lee. When he gives absolutely everything he can be truely fantastic, like he was at Trent Bridge. But most of the time he just goes into idiot mode, or bouncer/yorker mode, like at the Oval, v Pietersen after lunch when he got burned badly, sometimes he needs to just put his brain in gear.
    I disagree a little. I reckon he's always gibing 'absolutely everything' as you say. I just reckon for most of his career he's been plain dumb. And even though he's becoming a smarter bowler now, you still see some idiocy from him every now and then.

    The Chappell Hadlee Series is one instance, where NZ almost chased down a massive 300+ score in game 2, and then chased down what was then the record ODI chase ever in game 3 were matcheswhere Lee bowled like an idiot. Bowling bouncers late in the innings giving away wides and stuff like that. You sometimes just wonder what goes through his brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid
    If the pitch suits, if he fancies it, and if the opposition are a bit out of sorts or just not very good anyway, then Harmison's your man. Most of the time you'll get more from Lee though.
    My thoughts exactly. If I had to pick one guy that had to play the next 20 tests, I would pick Lee.

    However, Lee at his best is not the same as Harmison at his best. If I had 1 test I had to win then I would pick Harmison and hope it was a track suited to him and he felt like turning it on that day.

    Both are dangerous. Lee a little more consistent and Harmison a little more penetrative.

    Pick your poison.
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    I'd pick McGrath :{
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    Lee for his consistency

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    I'd pick McGrath :{
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    Lee for his consistency
    Consistently what tho?

    Some of the arguments in this thread are pretty ridiculous, in Tests I'll go with Harmison... because he's err... *better* - absurd basis that it is for actually choosing one or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    Consistently what tho?

    Some of the arguments in this thread are pretty ridiculous, in Tests I'll go with Harmison... because he's err... *better* - absurd basis that it is for actually choosing one or the other.
    One usually accompanies "better" with a reason. Harmison has been better over the course of his career because, even though he regularly goes to pieces like Lee, he's a more dangerous bowler when he gets it right. Lee's been improving to the point where he no longer goes to pieces and gets 0/100 off 20 overs every 5th match, and that consistency could make him a better bowler than someone who is occasionally very good and usually quite poor.

    There's certainly no question that in the last 12 months Lee has been a better test bowler than Harmison, and that in the couple of years before that Harmison was much better. It's actually quite hard to pick where it will go from here.
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    Hmmm... I've been writing an article on this topic for the past month or so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    One usually accompanies "better" with a reason. Harmison has been better over the course of his career because, even though he regularly goes to pieces like Lee, he's a more dangerous bowler when he gets it right. Lee's been improving to the point where he no longer goes to pieces and gets 0/100 off 20 overs every 5th match, and that consistency could make him a better bowler than someone who is occasionally very good and usually quite poor.

    There's certainly no question that in the last 12 months Lee has been a better test bowler than Harmison, and that in the couple of years before that Harmison was much better. It's actually quite hard to pick where it will go from here.
    Given the trend over the last 20 months or so, I'd expect Lee to leave Harmison miles behind. You couldn't honestly say that Harmy was good for a couple of years It was about 6 months really, followed by two years of what could generously be described as mediocrity, apart from 2 good innings (Lords 1 in 2005 & OT 1 in 2006). It was obvious that Lee was showing signs of progress in the Ashes, even if his series average wasn't pretty, and his subsequent performances against SA have confirmed that he's on the up. Harmy may be extremely dangerous when he gets it right, but it's incredibly rare, and he's incredibly lucky to be an automatic pick. If he's a non-event again this winter then I'd call it a day. If he proves me wrong then iI'll be delighted to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Hmmm... I've been writing an article on this topic for the past month or so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid
    Given the trend over the last 20 months or so, I'd expect Lee to leave Harmison miles behind. You couldn't honestly say that Harmy was good for a couple of years It was about 6 months really, followed by two years of what could generously be described as mediocrity, apart from 2 good innings (Lords 1 in 2005 & OT 1 in 2006). It was obvious that Lee was showing signs of progress in the Ashes, even if his series average wasn't pretty, and his subsequent performances against SA have confirmed that he's on the up. Harmy may be extremely dangerous when he gets it right, but it's incredibly rare, and he's incredibly lucky to be an automatic pick. If he's a non-event again this winter then I'd call it a day. If he proves me wrong then iI'll be delighted to admit it.
    Lee's still got a bit to prove obviously, especially against batsmen who really attack him. He lorded over the likes of Smith and Kallis last summer, but they never really went after him, and England will obviously do that. I expect he'll go okay though, and if he has another summer like last one he'll certainly be among the best fast bowlers in the world in tests.

    I've never really rated Harmison that highly, so I guess I agree generally. He's a good bowler when he has the right sort of conditions, but Shane Watson's taken 11 wickets in a match on a helpful pitch too (albeit a first class match). The test of a good bowler is obviously performing in a range of conditions, and Harmison just isn't consistent enough to be rated among the best in the world. He's a handy part of a strong five-man attack including Hoggard, Jones and Flintoff, but I wouldn't want to rely on him to lead a bowling attack.

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    Its a very good question, and Im going to say Harmison. Theyve both been sent for alot of runs off not alot of overs, but have also taken quite a number of wickets. But Harmison in the WI 2004 (7-12) is the man who practically got me interested in cricket, so I go for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib
    Lee is the most underrated bowler on these forums his performances in the last 8-10 test matches matches up to his performances in the first 7, and only an idiot can say Lee dosent do much with the ball he is one of the best exponents of swing bowling.

    Hmm, resident idiot here. I saw the guy bowl at the Oval* , and have been told that was an atypical performance, I didn't see him move it off the straight and narrow once.

    I only talk about tests, as I'm not a massive fan of pyjama cricket.

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