Declining umpiring standards

ColdSnow · 23-09-2006, 07:43 AM

I had not seen a cricket match for over two years before yesterday when I caught the Australia-India match at my friend's place. But I get the feeling that the umpiring standards have really hit rock bottom. We also had the whole Darrel Hair controvery last month. Well anyway, it was a crucial match but I wonder what would have happened if all the decisions given were correct.

1. Haddin given not out by the THIRD umpire, when Harbhajan hit the stumps with his wrist, and only letting the ball go after impact.

2. Tendulkar given out caught behind to a ball that hit his shoulder. If not for his animated reaction, he would not have been called back. But at least justice prevailed.

3. Dhoni given out off a Brett Lee no-ball.

4. Harbhajan given out caught behind when the ball clearly missed his bat.

Do you guys think umpiring standards have come down? What can be done to improve this? I think cricket is the sport where umpires make the most mistakes.

Turbinator · 23-09-2006, 08:06 AM

Surprisingly all these are against India .....had it not been for these we might've of been cleared of the chokers tag this time.

Slow Love™ · 23-09-2006, 08:09 AM

I'm not entirely sure that standards have slipped, as much as our ability to tell when they're wrong has become manifestly greater.

I'd like to see a better incorporation of technology where it's helpful, but as we've all seen, opinions are very split on this, and we don't want to much intrusion that affects the pace of a game.

What I DO think we'd all like to see is a much larger international panel of quality umpires, so that when terrible calls are made (repeatedly, as opposed to the rare abberation), umpires can be judged on form, ability and level of concentration as players are. Unfortunately, given that it's a profession that cops a lot of flak, this is going to be hard to achieve, as it's not really a profession a lot of people are going to be itching to be part of.

Maybe a better incorporation of technology that could lead to less of the egregious decisions passing through could alleviate that, I don't know. I do believe that players certainly need to show a greater sense of respect for the umpire's decisions out on the field than they currently do.

Lillian Thomson · 23-09-2006, 08:44 AM

However poor the standards might appear, they are higher than they've ever been. It's an impossibly complicated game to adjudicate. Even with endless replays it's often impossible to be 100% sure on many decisions.

viktor · 23-09-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbinator

Surprisingly all these are against India .....had it not been for these we might've of been cleared of the chokers tag this time.

We have the "chokers" tag?
I always thought we were just the "not good enough" team...

Mr Mxyzptlk · 23-09-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by viktor

We have the "chokers" tag?

You don't pay much attention to cricket, do you?

marc71178 · 23-09-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbinator

Surprisingly all these are against India .....had it not been for these we might've of been cleared of the chokers tag this time.

How exactly is number 2 against India?

silentstriker · 23-09-2006, 09:53 AM

Sorry, India will always be the best at choking. We can never be the best at cricket, so this is a good second prize, I suppose.

Even with umpiring biased towards us, I doubt we could be anything but uber-chokers.

Turbinator · 23-09-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

How exactly is number 2 against India?

If Sachin had not been called back you never know....the outcome of the game wud've been different.........plus he wasted a few balls and then got out.....maybe if those few balls had been saved, the pressure on the tailenders wud've been less.

silentstriker · 23-09-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbinator

If Sachin had not been called back you never know....the outcome of the game wud've been different.........plus he wasted a few balls and then got out.....maybe if those few balls had been saved, the pressure on the tailenders wud've been less.

WTF? Are you actually an idiot or just pretending to be one?

We didn't lose the match because of the number of balls left in the game. We were all out with plenty of time to spare.

Turbinator · 23-09-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

WTF? Are you actually an idiot or just pretending to be one?

We didn't lose the match because of the number of balls left in the game. We were all out with plenty of time to spare.

You never know with a BIT more time to spare we might've not lost.

SirBloody Idiot · 23-09-2006, 10:20 AM

No, you would've still lost thanks to Einstein RP.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 23-09-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbinator

If Sachin had not been called back you never know....the outcome of the game wud've been different.........plus he wasted a few balls and then got out.....maybe if those few balls had been saved, the pressure on the tailenders wud've been less.

So you think Sachin Tendulkar being given out when he wasn't out was a good thing for India? Sorry, but that's just idiotic. Poor attempt at justification there.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 23-09-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbinator

You never know with a BIT more time to spare we might've not lost.

India had a minimum of 37 balls to get 20 runs when the final wicket fell.

You need to try harder than that to justify your initial mistake.

Anil · 23-09-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Slow Love™

I'm not entirely sure that standards have slipped, as much as our ability to tell when they're wrong has become manifestly greater.

that's exactly what has happened...

23-09-2006, 07:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
ColdSnow School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Everywhere Posts: 108	Declining umpiring standards I had not seen a cricket match for over two years before yesterday when I caught the Australia-India match at my friend's place. But I get the feeling that the umpiring standards have really hit rock bottom. We also had the whole Darrel Hair controvery last month. Well anyway, it was a crucial match but I wonder what would have happened if all the decisions given were correct. 1. Haddin given not out by the THIRD umpire, when Harbhajan hit the stumps with his wrist, and only letting the ball go after impact. 2. Tendulkar given out caught behind to a ball that hit his shoulder. If not for his animated reaction, he would not have been called back. But at least justice prevailed. 3. Dhoni given out off a Brett Lee no-ball. 4. Harbhajan given out caught behind when the ball clearly missed his bat. Do you guys think umpiring standards have come down? What can be done to improve this? I think cricket is the sport where umpires make the most mistakes.

23-09-2006, 08:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Slow Love™ International Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,079	I'm not entirely sure that standards have slipped, as much as our ability to tell when they're wrong has become manifestly greater. I'd like to see a better incorporation of technology where it's helpful, but as we've all seen, opinions are very split on this, and we don't want to much intrusion that affects the pace of a game. What I DO think we'd all like to see is a much larger international panel of quality umpires, so that when terrible calls are made (repeatedly, as opposed to the rare abberation), umpires can be judged on form, ability and level of concentration as players are. Unfortunately, given that it's a profession that cops a lot of flak, this is going to be hard to achieve, as it's not really a profession a lot of people are going to be itching to be part of. Maybe a better incorporation of technology that could lead to less of the egregious decisions passing through could alleviate that, I don't know. I do believe that players certainly need to show a greater sense of respect for the umpire's decisions out on the field than they currently do. __________________ "Youre known for having a liking for men who look like women." - Linda "FFS I'm sick and tired of having to see a bloke bend over to pick something up or lean over and see their arse crack. For christ's sake pull your pants up or buy some underpants you bogan because nobody want's to see it. And this is a boat building shed (well one of them) not a porn studio." - Craig

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Turbinator International Captain Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,492	Surprisingly all these are against India .....had it not been for these we might've of been cleared of the chokers tag this time.

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