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    Damien Martyn

    I'm still convinced that he's the best option for the #4 spot in test matches, but as far as ODIs go, I think he should be getting the chop.

    Many point to his experience, his good record and consistency. But the fact of the matter is, he ALWAYS bats in the top 4, and hasn't scored an ODI century since 2003. His supposed good record has seen his batting average now drop below 40 - below Hayden's whose ODI career was ended for never cementing his place as a permanent ODI player.

    Since the Ashes, when he was dumped from the test side, he has often looked lazy in his dismissals - something you don't want from a specialist #4 batsman. He has averaged 25.29 in ODIs in this period..

    Now this would all be understandable if he was an up-and-coming prospect with a future, but Damien Martyn hasn't done anything significant in ODIs for quite some time, and he is supposed to be the experienced, finished article used to patiently get Australia through tough periods.

    People whinge about Katich at the top of the order, but Martyn has scored at a similar rate while batting #4 at a much worse average.

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    Mike Hussey       73.16
    Andrew Symonds    48.44
    Ricky Ponting     47.28
    Michael Clarke    44.89
    Simon Katich      41.13
    Adam Gilchrist    39.59
    Shane Watson      34.66
    Brad Haddin       30.60
    James Hopes       28.00
    Brett Lee         26.28
    Damien Martyn     25.29
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    good point, he doesn't warrant a place in the ODI side anymore really since they are better options ATM.

    But as the case with Gillespie in the ashes last year Martyn is persisted with in the ODI team for his solid performances in the past & they may not drop him that quickly. Hopefully they don't make that same mistake with him, let him worry with test cricket since if he can show form could be real good for Australia in the transition period post 2007 world cup..

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    I'm a fervent admirator of Martyn and while I'm really happy he made it back into the test, I agree there are probably better players to take his #4 in ODI. I suppose they are sticking with him because of his experience and great friendship with the players (Ponting, Clarke...) also he made that flamboyant 94 in that twenty/20 early this year, suppose they are hoping for a repeat.

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    Not only is Martyn not good enough to be in the Aussie one-day side anymore, but he's also not required. Ponting, Clarke, Symonds and Hussey are all world-class one-day batsmen, each of them undroppable. The final spot goes to Watson for his all-round skills; besides, his batting's been better than Martyn's in ODIs since the Ashes so it's an easy pick.

    In tests, Australia still need him for his experience and talent. Clarke isn't quite there yet and Jaques is very new, while Hodge is out of favor for reasons that you all would probably know better.

    In other news, Stuart Clark's hopes of being a one-day regular are probably dead now. Bracken is clearly ahead of him and Johnson might just be ahead of both of them now as he probably doesn't need to open the attack to be at his best.


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    I don't think Clark should be in any aussie team at all. His 9 wickets on debut in SA was thanks to a wonderful wicket. And yes bracken is pretty impressive in ODI, should be a permanent paceman alongside Lee and Bracken. Me thinks he could also make the test side this summer ahead of Clark and Gillespie. A leftie swinger is also a good variation from Lee's pace and McGrath's accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alysum
    And yes bracken is pretty impressive in ODI, should be a permanent paceman alongside Lee and Bracken. Me thinks he could also make the test side this summer ahead of Clark and Gillespie. A leftie swinger is also a good variation from Lee's pace and McGrath's accuracy.
    You talking about Bracken or Johnson there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adharcric
    You talking about Bracken or Johnson there?
    For test side? Bracken, he's got more experience and deserver more chances in the test side when they aren't using MacGill.

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    His previous average exaggerated how good a ODI batsman he was IMO. Was never a mid-40s batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    His previous average exaggerated how good a ODI batsman he was IMO. Was never a mid-40s batsman.
    Well since the Ashes, he hasn't even had his precious average. His career average is now below 40 and his average over the last year and a bit has been in the mid twenties. He really shouldn't be in the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS
    Well since the Ashes, he hasn't even had his precious average. His career average is now below 40 and his average over the last year and a bit has been in the mid twenties. He really shouldn't be in the side.
    I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Rather I'm saying Marto's previous ODI reputation, which has kept him in the team for this long, was misleading in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS
    Many point to his experience, his good record and consistency. But the fact of the matter is, he ALWAYS bats in the top 4, and hasn't scored an ODI century since 2003.
    I agree with your sentiments about Martyn, but until yesterday Hussey hadn't scored one ever! In ODIs centuries are necessarily the be-all-and-end-all. Graham Thorpe never scored one at all & we'd kill for him in our middle order now.
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    Agreed, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    I agree with your sentiments about Martyn, but until yesterday Hussey hadn't scored one ever! In ODIs centuries are necessarily the be-all-and-end-all. Graham Thorpe never scored one at all & we'd kill for him in our middle order now.
    Yes, but Hussey bats at 7 so it's a significantly different case.

    Thorpe mantained a good average over a long period. Martyn's performances over the last year or so, as was demonstated by the stats I provided at the end of my post, have been decidedly poor.

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    hmm

    Gilchrist
    Hayden
    Ponting
    Symonds
    Clarke
    Hussey
    Haddin
    Hogg
    Lee
    Bracken
    McGrath

    Johnson in for Haddin if they want another specialist bowler. Cosgrove the reserve batsman.
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    Er, Watson? The guy averages nearly 40 with the bat and around 20 with the ball since the Ashes, and is improving consistently from series to series. In the last three matches he has managed the best innings AND the best bowling spell of his international career. You can hardly drop him now.

    Gilchrist
    Katich
    Ponting
    Watson
    Symonds
    Clarke
    Hussey
    Hogg
    Lee
    Bracken
    McGrath

    That is obviously our strongest ODI lineup. Four quality specialist bowlers and two other useful options in Watson and Symonds, specialist bats all the way down to 7 and a couple of useful guys in Hogg and Lee for support. Some brilliant fieldsmen too, with Ponting, Symonds, Clarke and Hussey in there.

    The only possible changes to the lineup at the moment would be Johnson putting some pressure on Bracken and Jaques and Hayden on Katich.
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