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    Allan Border vs Courtney Walsh

    These are two blokes who even though they weren't in the case of Walsh the most destructive tear-away like so many of the other West Indies bowlers during a great era & Border being a hard-working & not the most elegant Australia have produced played a lot of test cricket for their respective nations with great distinction over long careers.

    But how highly would they rate in the history of West Indies & Australian cricket. Would Walsh be rated above Marshall, Ambrose, Garner, Holding, Hall, Roberts, Croft & would Border be rated above Chappell, Ponting, Harvey, McCabe, the Waugh brothers, Hassett, Boon, O'Neil?

    What do you think?

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    If it's Allan Border vs Courtney Walsh as the title suggests then I would venture the opinion that Border was the better batsman and Walsh the better bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson
    If it's Allan Border vs Courtney Walsh as the title suggests then I would venture the opinion that Border was the better batsman and Walsh the better bowler.

    The other way around for me, mate.
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    Border was marginally the better batsman. But only because he's an Aussie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Border was marginally the better batsman. But only because he's an Aussie.

    Bias, I say. I saw Walsh bat, it was poetry in action (Greek tragedy).

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    maybe i should have named the thread something else, since i think you people are missing the idea of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    Would Walsh be rated above Marshall, Ambrose, Garner, Holding, Hall, Roberts, Croft
    No to all except for Croft and equal consideration with Hall IMO.

    Walsh was a thinking bowler. As evidenced by his legendary slower ball.

    would Border be rated above Chappell, Ponting, Harvey, McCabe, the Waugh brothers, Hassett, Boon, O'Neil?

    What do you think?
    He would be above a couple of those for sure. Mark Waugh and Boon at the very least IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    But how highly would they rate in the history of West Indies & Australian cricket. Would Walsh be rated above Marshall, Ambrose, Garner, Holding, Hall, Roberts, Croft & would Border be rated above Chappell, Ponting, Harvey, McCabe, the Waugh brothers, Hassett, Boon, O'Neil?

    What do you think?
    i wouldn't rate walsh above any of the listed except croft, as for border, for me he would rate above everyone mentioned except chappell.....ponting and steve waugh would follow him in my list...the others are not in the same category....

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    Here are my rankings of the players you've listed.

    West Indian Bowlers

    marshall
    ambrose
    holding
    garner
    hall
    roberts
    walsh
    croft

    Australian Batsmen

    Greg Chappell
    Border
    Ponting
    Steve Waugh
    Harvey
    McCabe
    Hassett
    Boon
    O'Neil
    Mark Waugh

    This probably what anil had in mind too

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    Out of the West Indian bowlers:
    Marshall
    Garner/Holding
    Ambrose
    Walsh/Roberts
    Croft
    Haven't heard or seen enough of Hall to make a judgement.

    Australian batsmen:
    G Chappel
    Border/S Waugh
    Ponting
    Harvey
    M Waugh
    Boon
    Haven't heard or seen enough of McCabe, Hasset, or O'Neil to make a judgement.

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    Walsh is very under-rated on this forum.


    WI quicks:

    1. Marshall
    2. Ambrose
    3. Garner
    4. Walsh
    5. Holding
    6. Roberts
    7. Hall
    8. Croft

    Aussie batters:

    1. Bradders
    2. Chappell
    3. Border
    4. Victor Trumper
    5. Neil Harvey
    6. Steve Waugh
    7. Ricky Ponting
    8. David Boon
    9. Clem Hill
    10. Justin Langer
    11. Matt Hayden
    12. Mark Waugh

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    Roberts > Walsh.

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    WI Fast Bowlers
    1.Marshall
    2.Ambrose
    3.Holding
    4.Garner
    5.Walsh
    6.Roberts
    7.Hall
    8.Croft

    Aussie Batsmen
    1.Bradman
    2.G. Chappell
    3.S. Waugh
    4.Border
    5.Ponting
    6.Harvey
    7.Trumper
    8.Hassett/McCabe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    No to all except for Croft and equal consideration with Hall IMO.

    Walsh was a thinking bowler. As evidenced by his legendary slower ball.

    You say thinking bowler as if its a bad thing. I agree that Walsh is way underrated in this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    maybe i should have named the thread something else, since i think you people are missing the idea of the thread.
    I think that's what is known as a sharp attack of dramatic irony. You should have called it Kramer VS Kramer.

    But anyway, Walsh would only have been a fourth seamer had Marshall, Holding and Roberts all been available at the same time. For much of his career, particularly towards the end, he had only one world class seamer with him. Hence he bowled more and took more wickets than he might have done had he been 10 years younger.
    Border wasn't in the same class as the other players mentioned but made the most of his limitations and of course as captain laid the foundations for the period of dominance.

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