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    Penetration in bowlers

    With the recent rich vein of shirtfronts infecting our centre squares, penetration - likelihood of taking a wicket - has become a dying art among bowlers of both persuasions. Who's the worst offenders in this category?

    For mine:

    Brett Dorey
    Brad Williams
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    Ashley Giles
    Kabir Ali
    Liam Plunkett
    Mohammad Sami


    Which raises other questions: what is penetration? What is it that makes these bowlers roaring successes at domestic level yet abandons them in their - and their country's - hour of need?

    At the same time, why is it that some bowlers can look harmless - the definition of unpenetrativeness - but still take wickets with a steady flow (Giles, Razzaq)?

    Discuss.
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    Plunkett is penetrative he's just expensive with it.

    You can probably add Pollock to that list these days, probably lots to add from the weaker Test nations as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy
    Which raises other questions: what is penetration?
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    Dorey's a harsh call IMO. The guy swings the ball plenty. I'd consider adding Mick Lewis instead.
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    I saw Dorey once on the international scene. Wasn't impressed at all. He was gun-barrel straight and was beaten back easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy
    I saw Dorey once on the international scene. Wasn't impressed at all. He was gun-barrel straight and was beaten back easily.
    You can't really judge a guy based on him bowling second change on a flat pitch in an ODI. He swung the ball plenty in Bangladesh when he got it first up, and obviously he has a reputation for being one of the best swing bowlers in domestic cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy
    With the recent rich vein of shirtfronts infecting our centre squares, penetration - likelihood of taking a wicket - has become a dying art among bowlers of both persuasions. Who's the worst offenders in this category?

    For mine:

    Brett Dorey
    Brad Williams
    AA
    Ashley Giles
    Kabir Ali
    Liam Plunkett
    Mohammad Sami


    Which raises other questions: what is penetration? What is it that makes these bowlers roaring successes at domestic level yet abandons them in their - and their country's - hour of need?

    At the same time, why is it that some bowlers can look harmless - the definition of unpenetrativeness - but still take wickets with a steady flow (Giles, Razzaq)?

    Discuss.
    you could probably add steve harmison to that list as well, whenever he plays on a track that doesnt offer extra/uneven bounce.
    generally in ODIs and occasionally in tests bowlers that bowl accurately take wickets by applying the pressure even if they arent penetrative. Pollock is an example of that when hes playing outside of swinging/seaming conditions.No bowler can really be penetrative in all conditions, which is why Englands pace quartet last summer was such a craze, because each bowler seemed to be suited to different conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    you could probably add steve harmison to that list as well, whenever he plays on a track that doesnt offer extra/uneven bounce.
    generally in ODIs and occasionally in tests bowlers that bowl accurately take wickets by applying the pressure even if they arent penetrative. Pollock is an example of that when hes playing outside of swinging/seaming conditions.No bowler can really be penetrative in all conditions, which is why Englands pace quartet last summer was such a craze, because each bowler seemed to be suited to different conditions.

    McGrath seems to take wickets everywhere. His game is based on unerring accuracy. When the ball is swinging, or there is help, he demolishes lineups....but even without much help he does relatively well.
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    Bit harsh on Plunkers there I fancy. He sprays it around a fair bit, but he does bowl wicket taking deliveries too. He's got height & bounce on his side as well.

    I reckon you could add Shane Watson to the list, offers v little in way of movement or bounce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker
    McGrath seems to take wickets everywhere. His game is based on unerring accuracy. When the ball is swinging, or there is help, he demolishes lineups....but even without much help he does relatively well.
    he may take wickets everywhere but that doesnt mean that he is penetrative. fact is that you can be accurate in all conditions but that equal penetrating. Mcgrath is penetrating in a lot of conditions but there are plenty of times when hes barely beating the bat, and hes just taking wickets from poor shots after building up the pressure. Not that theres anything wrong in that, its still good bowling but it doesnt make him penetrating.

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    Rana Naved in Tests tends to be a genuinely unpenetrative bowler in Tests. Which makes you think, how the hell does he take so many wickets in ODIs. Its not like hes bowling all 10 overs at the death or anything.

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    Quality of penetration depends on length, imo...

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    Vettori is one that doesn't penetrate but takes wickets(when he actually does) through building up pressure.
    As for the rest of the Kiwis, Bond is the only one that comes to mind as regularly pentrating the bastman's defence if thats how we're defining it. That inswinging yorker of his is lethal.

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