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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    Similarly the idea of having collingwood as a regular player may seem absolutely idiotic given how poor hes been recently
    Last 11 ODI knocks:

    93, 36, 23*, 64 v India
    10 v Ireland
    0, 56, 33 v Sri Lanka
    14, 35, 61 v Pakistan

    Seems to me he's been one of England's best ODI batsmen lately. You may say he's one of the best of a bad bunch, and fair enough, but how is that poor form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Last 11 ODI knocks:

    93, 36, 23*, 64 v India
    10 v Ireland
    0, 56, 33 v Sri Lanka
    14, 35, 61 v Pakistan

    Seems to me he's been one of England's best ODI batsmen lately. You may say he's one of the best of a bad bunch, and fair enough, but how is that poor form?

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    exactly i really don't get how certain memebers on this forum are constantly saying that Collingwood has been poor recently. He is definately been one of England's best ODI players over the past 12 months, no way he should be dropped.

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    My take on it

    Well first i'm going to look at the possible world cup 15-man sqaud. For me it should be this:

    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Bell
    KP
    Freddie
    Collingwood
    Dalrymple
    Read
    Harmison
    Lewis
    Anderson

    Joyce
    Yardy
    Giles/Blackwell - depending on who performs better between now & the world cup
    Jones/Chapple/Broad/Tremlett - depending on performances & fitness

    Strauss over the past two games has surely made an effort to improve the way he plays at the top in ODI's & i've been impressed & if he continues with that & scores runs i don't have a problem with him opening with Trescothick.

    In the middle-order Bell has made the #3 spot his own & i'd keep him there. KP/Freddie for me as TEC rightfully said can inter-change based on the position of the game, i.e if England lose early early wickets Freddie can go up to #4 & KP drop to #5, but if the top 3 & bat for 20 overs plus in KP can stay at #4.

    Bowling attack Harmison/Freddie/Anderson are definites AFAIC, the next postion in the could go to another seamer who IMO should be Lewis because he can use the new ball & England can use him out with in the first 30 overs, since with his lack of pace as we say today won't be that effective at the end especially on those small grounds in the windies. Also I dont want to rule out the possibilty of Simon Jones if he can get fit since he would definately enhance to pace attack.

    If not an extra fast bowler, then Giles or Blackwell could play & can work in tandem in the middle-overs with Dalrymple because i strongly believe slow bowlers will have a strong say during the world cup. Only problem England would have in the bowling is that other than Flintoff no other bowler is good enough to bowl at the death since in the past Harmison & Anderson have disappeared in the slog overs, but if Jones can get fit based on how he bowled in the 2005 Natwest series he would be a good option bowling there for sure.

    All in all due to England great work ethic if they play well with this full-strenght sqaud even if their recent ODI form has been average i expect them to pose a real challenge at the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen
    Let's see:

    two Indians: Panesar and Solanki
    two Pakistani: Mahmood and Afzaal
    one South African: Pietersen
    one West Indian: Joyce (come on, Ireland is an island to the west of England)
    four Australians: G Jones, Stuart Law, Murray Goodwin, Ian Harvey

    As always, spot on, SJS
    Panesar and Mahmood are both born in England, Geriant was born in Papua New Guinea (!) and Murray Goodwin is from Zimbabwe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
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    Plus two Indians, two Pakistanis, one South African, one West Indian and four Australians should be just fine
    For a non-English born ODI XI, England could pick...

    Prior+ (South Africa)
    Joyce (Ireland)
    Law* (Australia)
    Pietersen (South Africa)
    Shah (India)
    Spearman (New Zealand)
    Trott (South Africa)
    Ervine (Zimbabwe)
    Gibson (West Indies)
    Brown (Scotland)
    Caddick (New Zealand)

    Strauss qualifies (born in South Africa), but obviously isn't good enough.

    The attack is a man short and just a tad old, but they couldn't do much worse than the current side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen
    Let's see:

    two Indians: Panesar and Solanki
    two Pakistani: Mahmood and Afzaal
    one South African: Pietersen
    one West Indian: Joyce (come on, Ireland is an island to the west of England)
    four Australians: G Jones, Stuart Law, Murray Goodwin, Ian Harvey

    As always, spot on, SJS


    That wasnt exactly what I had in mind but I suppose this is as good a side as England have anyway

    I meant :-

    Tendulkar
    Gilchrist
    Ponting
    Lara
    Hussey
    Yuvraj
    Flintoff
    Afridi
    Brett Lee
    Asif Gul
    Ntini

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS


    That wasnt exactly what I had in mind but I suppose this is as good a side as England have anyway

    I meant :-

    Tendulkar
    Gilchrist
    Ponting
    Lara
    Hussey
    Yuvraj
    Flintoff
    Afridi
    Brett Lee
    Asif Gul
    Ntini
    I'd have Sarwan ahead of Lara in ODI cricket these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Last 11 ODI knocks:

    93, 36, 23*, 64 v India
    10 v Ireland
    0, 56, 33 v Sri Lanka
    14, 35, 61 v Pakistan

    Seems to me he's been one of England's best ODI batsmen lately. You may say he's one of the best of a bad bunch, and fair enough, but how is that poor form?

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    i think these stats give a better indication actually:
    2004 Natwest Series 5 4 0 0 0 20 28 7.00 1 0
    2004 NatWest Challenge 3 2 1 1 0 *79 83 83.00 3 0
    2004 ICC Champions Trophy 4 4 2 1 0 *80 141 70.50 1 0
    2004-2005 ZIM v ENG 4 3 0 0 0 7 13 4.33 5 0
    2004-2005 SAF v ENG 7 5 0 0 0 40 87 17.40 3 0
    2005 Natwest Series 7 5 2 1 1 *112 187 62.33 4 0
    2005 NatWest Challenge 3 2 0 0 0 34 43 21.50 0 0
    2005-2006 PAK v ENG 5 5 1 0 0 *34 115 28.75 5 0
    2005-2006 IND v ENG 6 6 1 2 0 93 229 45.80 4 0
    2005-2006 IRE v ENG 1 1 0 0 0 10 10 10.00 2 0
    2006 ENG v SRL 3 3 0 1 0 56 89 29.67 1 0
    2006 NatWest Series 4 3 0 1 0 61 110 36.67

    in the last 2 years, hes had 4 good series, 2 of which were inflated by playing zimbabwe and bangladesh, and his stats in those series were dismal when you remove those games therefore those 2 series can be disregarded. the remaining 2 successful series have both been against india.
    Tendulkar = the most overated player EVER!!
    Beckham = the most overated footballer EVER!!
    Vassell = the biggest disgrace since rikki clarke!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pskov
    For a non-English born ODI XI, England could pick...

    Prior+ (South Africa)
    Joyce (Ireland)
    Law* (Australia)
    Pietersen (South Africa)
    Shah (India)
    Spearman (New Zealand)
    Trott (South Africa)
    Ervine (Zimbabwe)
    Gibson (West Indies)
    Brown (Scotland)
    Caddick (New Zealand)

    Strauss qualifies (born in South Africa), but obviously isn't good enough.

    The attack is a man short and just a tad old, but they couldn't do much worse than the current side.
    owais shah was born in pakistan wasnt he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    If not an extra fast bowler, then Giles or Blackwell could play & can work in tandem in the middle-overs with Dalrymple because i strongly believe slow bowlers will have a strong say during the world cup. Only problem England would have in the bowling is that other than Flintoff no other bowler is good enough to bowl at the death since in the past Harmison & Anderson have disappeared in the slog overs, but if Jones can get fit based on how he bowled in the 2005 Natwest series he would be a good option bowling there for sure.
    the 2005 natwest series where he got smashed all over the park? Simon Jones has no limited overs experience, even if he is fit hes going to have to play 20-20 and list A cricket before he can make a case for selection.
    The issue about death bowling that you brought up is an interesting one though because even yesterday it was obvious that Lewis is clearly not a good enough death bowler. One wonders given the injuries how many times hes going to have his figures tarnished by being the only English bowler capable of bowling straight.
    With regards to death bowling, Yardy seems to have a reputation for being good at the death, bowls a lot quicker than most spinners and varies his pace well, and Anderson has all the tools to be a good death bowler, assuming he comes back as the Anderson that we saw in Mumbai rather than the one that we've seen before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamuddin
    Welll his figures may not be great....but obviously someone thinks he has some ability otherwise he wouldn't be picked.

    Put it this way, it's either him or Mahmood and I can't possibly see how he can be worse than the Saj
    I think you just proved yourself wrong there

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    Quote Originally Posted by pskov
    For a non-English born ODI XI, England could pick...

    Prior+ (South Africa)
    Joyce (Ireland)
    Law* (Australia)
    Pietersen (South Africa)
    Shah (India)
    Spearman (New Zealand)
    Trott (South Africa)
    Ervine (Zimbabwe)
    Gibson (West Indies)
    Brown (Scotland)
    Caddick (New Zealand)

    Strauss qualifies (born in South Africa), but obviously isn't good enough.

    The attack is a man short and just a tad old, but they couldn't do much worse than the current side.
    Spearman could play for England???

    Is that true?

    If it is, get him in the side right now, right this very instance, he's the kind of player England need.

    Loye too.

    And Marc, Ramprakash was given 50 test matches to prove he can't play at international level, Loye hasn't even got an ODI.

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    As for the team, i would love to see it being like this eventualy:

    1.Loye
    2.Tres
    3.Spearman
    4.Pietersen
    5.Freddy
    6.Collingwood
    7.Dalrymple
    8.Read/Prior/Foster
    9.Jon Lewis
    10.Anderson
    11.Harmison

    And Bell in for Spearman if he isn't playing well

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    i think these stats give a better indication actually:
    2004 Natwest Series 5 4 0 0 0 20 28 7.00 1 0
    2004 NatWest Challenge 3 2 1 1 0 *79 83 83.00 3 0
    2004 ICC Champions Trophy 4 4 2 1 0 *80 141 70.50 1 0
    2004-2005 ZIM v ENG 4 3 0 0 0 7 13 4.33 5 0
    2004-2005 SAF v ENG 7 5 0 0 0 40 87 17.40 3 0
    2005 Natwest Series 7 5 2 1 1 *112 187 62.33 4 0
    2005 NatWest Challenge 3 2 0 0 0 34 43 21.50 0 0
    2005-2006 PAK v ENG 5 5 1 0 0 *34 115 28.75 5 0
    2005-2006 IND v ENG 6 6 1 2 0 93 229 45.80 4 0
    2005-2006 IRE v ENG 1 1 0 0 0 10 10 10.00 2 0
    2006 ENG v SRL 3 3 0 1 0 56 89 29.67 1 0
    2006 NatWest Series 4 3 0 1 0 61 110 36.67

    in the last 2 years, hes had 4 good series, 2 of which were inflated by playing zimbabwe and bangladesh, and his stats in those series were dismal when you remove those games therefore those 2 series can be disregarded. the remaining 2 successful series have both been against india.
    Well i must be watching the wrong Collingwood but from what i've seen he hasn't had a bad series in the past year.

    Although what you are saying is true, i really dont think England are in a position that Collingwood should or will be dropped any time soon.

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