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    If the West Indies had some good bowlers does everyone think they would be a force in world cricket?? They have the names for batting but their bowling has been poor the last couple of years.

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    I feel that if the west indies had the bowlers like courntey walsh and curtley ambrose now they would be the best team in the world of cricket. They have the best opener in cricket (Chris Gayle) but he needs someone with him. but their bowlers are not up to scratch but i agree if they had the bowlers the would be a force

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jthomas23
    They have the best opener in cricket (Chris Gayle) but he needs someone with him. but their bowlers are not up to scratch but i agree if they had the bowlers the would be a force
    Highly debatable.

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    West indies' strength is their middle order: Lara, Chanderpaul, Sarwan and Bravo. But they could do with a settled opening pair. Devon Smith should get a run in the side, he seems a good player. They're missing a Test class spinner as well, but then they've managed without one since Lance Gibbs retired.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy
    Highly debatable.
    That's an understatement.

    Most talented opener? Maybe, but even that's not certain. Best? No way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpski
    West indies' strength is their middle order: Lara, Chanderpaul, Sarwan and Bravo. But they could do with a settled opening pair. Devon Smith should get a run in the side, he seems a good player. They're missing a Test class spinner as well, but then they've managed without one since Lance Gibbs retired.
    The middle order is highly talented, but it underperforms too regularly to be classed as a "strength", imo.
    And we wouldn't know if West Indies have a Test class spinner, as they rarely get a run of more than 2 games in the side.

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    The WI problem is simple. They lack a decent bowling attack simple as that.
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    West Indies are a poor team. No doubt the bowling is weak but the batting is made out to be far stronger than it actually is. There is the tendancy to get rolled over and, whilst the batting is stronger than the bowling, the batting is weaker than most nations. I honestly think that apart from Lara it is very debatable whether any batsmen would make it into other test teams (Zim & Bang excepted).

    Just a case in point-
    Team batting average in the 2000s

    Australia- 43.2
    South Africa- 38.2
    India- 36.9
    Sri Lanka- 34.9
    England- 34.7
    Pakistan- 34.7
    New Zealand- 33.5
    West Indies- 29.6

    As can be seen apart from Aus at the top and WI at the bottom the rest are pretty much a much of a muchness. It shows that WI batting has been a serious weakness since 2000 and that it is unfair to just criticise the bowling.

    It is all aspects of the team that have been in decline.
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    Chandepaul, Gayle and Sarwan will walk into Pakistan, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, England and South Africa. Bravo too, probably, except for England.

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    ^ Exactly. Chanders would into every team easily, and Bravo would easily play for everyone bar possibly England. He'd definitely play ahead of Symonds/Watson for Aus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg
    Chandepaul, Gayle and Sarwan will walk into Pakistan, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, England and South Africa. Bravo too, probably, except for England.
    Gayle would get nowhere near the England team, and I'd like to know which 2 middle order players you'd remove for Chanderpaul and Sarwan?

    Also, how the hell would those 2 walk into the Pakistan team?
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    Gayle would probably be good enough for the ODI team, but the Test batting order is pretty in form at the moment.
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    Gayle would get nowhere near the England team, and I'd like to know which 2 middle order players you'd remove for Chanderpaul and Sarwan?

    Also, how the hell would those 2 walk into the Pakistan team?
    Gayle
    Kamran
    Inzamam
    Sarwan
    Younis
    Yousuf
    Chanders
    Rana/Nazir
    Shoaib
    Kaneria
    Asif

    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Sarwan
    Bell
    Chanderpaul
    Flintoff
    Read/Jones
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Jones

    Gayle would walk into the England ODI team but I agree he isn't a better player then Trescothick or Strauss.

    Collingwood and Pieterson are unproven compared to Sarwan and specially Chanderpaul. I would have Chanders ahead of anyone in the current Pakistani team except Inzamam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg
    I would have Chanders ahead of anyone in the current Pakistani team except Inzamam.
    Wow, thats really misguided. Chanderpaul is a good Test player, nothing more nothing less. You would really take him ahead of Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan?
    Last edited by Goughy; 13-08-2006 at 05:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg
    Trescothick
    Strauss
    Cook
    Sarwan
    Bell
    Chanderpaul
    Flintoff
    Read/Jones
    Hoggard
    Harmison
    Jones


    Collingwood and Pieterson are unproven compared to Sarwan and specially Chanderpaul.
    Sarwan ahead of KP and Vaughan and to a lesser extent Collingwood is different to how I would select the team. Thats for sure

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