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West Indies

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Beleg said:
Has Gilchrist never batted at seven? How many times has that saved Australia's backside?
Is Gilchrist now a specialist bat then?

No, he's a keeper-batsman.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
Chanders averages 55 in matches won and that is good enough for me. I must commend you though for finding amazingly selectively reading arguments to suit your opinion.
Nothing selective about it, it is part of how I judge players. I did not search for anything, I just went straight for my criteria and that came out. I did not know about Chanderpaul in draws until I put it in.

Stop accusing me of using selective stats. I dont search for things to prove my agrument, I just check the first thing I need and it usually agrees with me.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
Chanders averages 55 in matches won and that is good enough for me. I must commend you though for finding amazingly selectively reading arguments to suit your opinion.
You cannot just take that 55 without looking at the average in games lost. That is because they are comparable as 20 wickets are lost.

Im not just getting on Chanderpaul. Have a look at Vaughan. He is very similar.

BTW, if you want to see a really impressive average in games won check out Inzi. He averages 80 and he has won a lot more games than Chanderpaul.
 
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Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
And who is comparing Chanders with Inzi, who is another one of my fav. batsman on mine and kinda under-rated here ? Also not to diminish Inzi in any way but a lot of Pakistan's winning has been due to their world class bowling attack.
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
stumpski said:
Incidentally, Dwayne Bravo's having a surprisingly tough time of it in county cricket. 167 runs at 33 and one wicket for 283. Maybe should have turned out for Lashings instead.
Good experience for him.
 

Beleg

International Regular
Is Gilchrist now a specialist bat then?

No, he's a keeper-batsman.
Gilchrist is a specialist batsman who happens to be a specialist keeper as well. Are you saying he isn't among the top seven batsmen in Australia and won't hold his place based on his batting alone?
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
He possibly would yes, but if picked as a batsman, he wouldn't be batting at 7, a keeper would be - hence he is not unbalancing the side as much as you would by making a non-opener open, just to fit a 7th specialist batsman in.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Goughy said:
Tresco does not really cash in on flat tracks and when the game isnt on the line. If you wanted an English example the best one is Vaughan.

My issue with this thread is about how overrated WI batting is. You write in your post that Chanderpaul has often had little significant support. Yet others are talking about how good the unit of Gayle, Lara, Sarwan, Chanderpaul and recently Bravo is.

It cant be both ways. I do not deny that Chanderpaul is a good player (I think I have mentioned that in every post) but my problem is that the bowling is getting a lot of criticism when the batting deserves equally as much.

Check my earlier post about how WI have by far the lowest team batting average of any Test standard team.
I agree that the West Indies batting lineup is not that good at all. On potential it's incredible, but the fact remains that only Brian Lara and Shivnarine Chanderpaul have contributed with any real consistency in recent years. Potential is meaningless in the grand scheme.

Chanderpaul is still an excellent batsman. The stats back it up and watching him perform at the times that he performs does the same. You're comparing him to Vaughan, but Vaughan has a tendency to fail under pressure or when really needed (of late at least), but Chanderpaul has built a career on being the man for the crisis. When all others fail, he's usually dependable enough to stand firm.

Only Brian Lara, up until a year ago, could really command the sort of walk-in appeal that Chanderpaul does. The pressures of the captaincy were clearly a few steps too far, but outside of demands of leadership, Chanderpaul is a quality batsman - one of the world's best.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
If I were Duncan Fletcher and I had the option of having Chanderpaul in my side for the Ashes, I would readily drop one of Collingwood, Bell or Cook for him. So very easy to get carried away by a few good innings on rather easy paced wickets against bowling ranging from ok to below par.
 

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