The latest ICC Player Rankings

[James]

The latest ICC Player Rankings

[FRAZ]

I never believed in Ntini but now I do. He is the most hard working bowler of the current bunch.

[archie mac]

No huge surprises there. I think they need to come up with an AR ranking top 5

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by archie mac

No huge surprises there. I think they need to come up with an AR ranking top 5

They do have one:

Career Best
1 J. Kallis SA 485
2 A. Flintoff ENG 453
3 S. Pollock SA 301
4 D. Vettori NZ 290
5 C. Vaas SL 270
5 I. Pathan IND 270
7 S. Jayasuriya SL 233
8 S. Warne AUS 231
9 C. Gayle WI 217
10 A. Kumble IND 215

[archie mac]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

They do have one:

Career Best
1 J. Kallis SA 485
2 A. Flintoff ENG 453
3 S. Pollock SA 301
4 D. Vettori NZ 290
5 C. Vaas SL 270
5 I. Pathan IND 270
7 S. Jayasuriya SL 233
8 S. Warne AUS 231
9 C. Gayle WI 217
10 A. Kumble IND 215

Well there you go, not to many genuine ARs on that list, I would think only the first three would be picked for their batting or bowling alone. Even then I would think only No.2 would be a %100 starter for both

I wonder where Blee and Dizzy would rank?

[wpdavid]

I was surprised to see Bond still in the top 10. How often has he played in the last couple of years?

[andyc]

Originally Posted by archie mac

Well there you go, not to many genuine ARs on that list, I would think only the first three would be picked for their batting or bowling alone. Even then I would think only No.2 would be a %100 starter for both

I wonder where Blee and Dizzy would rank?

The claim that Flintoff would make a team based on his batting isn't very true IMO, he isn't really a top 6 batsmen. His bowling would make a team, but his batting wouldn't, not that it isn't useful.

[Goughy]

Originally Posted by andyc

The claim that Flintoff would make a team based on his batting isn't very true IMO, he isn't really a top 6 batsmen. His bowling would make a team, but his batting wouldn't, not that it isn't useful.

Im inclined to agree with you. It would be very interesting to see what would happen if Flintoff was ever to be in an Oram-type situation in the future.

Im sure he would still be picked as a batter but Im not sure it would be the best for the team.

[Xuhaib]

Originally Posted by Goughy

Im inclined to agree with you. It would be very interesting to see what would happen if Flintoff was ever to be in an Oram-type situation in the future.

Im sure he would still be picked as a batter but Im not sure it would be the best for the team.

Freddie has the talent to average 40+ if he concentrates more on his batting while on the other hand Kallis would never be able to average under 25 even if he concentrates more on his bowling.

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by Xuhaib

Freddie has the talent to average 40+ if he concentrates more on his batting while on the other hand Kallis would never be able to average under 25 even if he concentrates more on his bowling.

In Kallis' prime, i disagree.

[Goughy]

Originally Posted by Xuhaib

Freddie has the talent to average 40+ if he concentrates more on his batting while on the other hand Kallis would never be able to average under 25 even if he concentrates more on his bowling.

Well firstly I did not suggest that Kallis should be a current selection as a specialist bowler. I was saying its unlikely that Flintoff should be selected as a specialist batsman.

Also it is debatable whether Flintoff can ever get his bowling average down below 25 before he retires and one thing Im sure of he will not retire with a batting average over 40 AND a bowling average under 25.

[Craig]

Apart from seeing Hussey and Bond in there, it was nothing out of the ordinary- all of the usual suspects would be there I would think.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by Goughy

Well firstly I did not suggest that Kallis should be a current selection as a specialist bowler. I was saying its unlikely that Flintoff should be selected as a specialist batsman.

Also it is debatable whether Flintoff can ever get his bowling average down below 25 before he retires and one thing Im sure of he will not retire with a batting average over 40 AND a bowling average under 25.

Yes, even in his last 25 matches (where you started to consider him the world's best bar none), he averages 37 with the bat and 26 with the ball. And thats his prime. So no chance of retiring with over 40 and under 25. I mean, he is almost 29 already, so its not like he has another decade.

[Run like Inzy]

Yeah but most batsman get better with age and Freddie is probably just entering his prime as a batsman at 29, look at Strauss he is 29 too and he only started playing 3 years ago. Other all rounders e.g. Imran greatly improved their batting during the latter part of their careers

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by Xuhaib

Freddie has the talent to average 40+ if he concentrates more on his batting while on the other hand Kallis would never be able to average under 25 even if he concentrates more on his bowling.

He's managed to average over 40 whilst his bowling has been improving (the last 2 or 3 years)