I said "Yes", because I think that if he concentrates solely on his batting, then he'll become a middle order lynchpin of the side, even if he isn't *quite* now.
Big unit, isn't he? Don't imagine that helps his back. Fred had no end of back issues til he managed to keep a tighter reign on the curries.
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If Michael Papps gets a place, it's no contest. Oram has made some of the best innings I've seen from a Kiwi, and I never felt comfortable with him at the crease when NZ were here in the summer of 2004.
Who was it claimed he was better than Flintoff?
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With the bat (in Tests) I think you could say Oram is even with Flintoff, but he is clearly the poorer bowler.
It's a shame with Oram because as BoyBrumby said he's a big unit and could probably pretty easily increase his speed to mid 140's like Flintoff, but obviously the constant injuries hold him back.
Oram has only ever been a converted bowler. He was already some way into his domestic career before someone suggested he take his bowling remotely seriously. He clearly enjoyed the seaming tracks at home against India a few years ago, but he’s a containing bowler - and he even struggles in that role at times.
I think Oram can do it because if he gives up bowling he'll only concentrate on his batting. Let's not forget that just a few months ago in South Africa he scored a magnificent century. He's a bit annoying to watch at times because he is gifted and he sometimes gets out softly, but the potential is there for him to be a good #5 or #6 in my opinion.
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I think that he could. He's a fair batsman now and if he concentrated on it he could be a good middle order player. Possibly 5 - 6?
Or, he could switch to the 'batsman who bowls a bit' role. Either way, we employed Mcmillan once so Oram's definately got his foot in the door .
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Oram is one of the better batsmen of this NZ side, so I think he definitely warrants a place on batting alone. Aren't he and Fleming the only NZ batsmen to have a Test average over 40?
I rate Oram very highly. I remember the century he made here in Australia in late 2004, definitely looked the best of the New Zealand batsmen on that tour. I'd put him in the side at 6 purely as a batsman, but have him as an option to bowl a few overs here and there if absolutely needed (kind of like Greg Blewett *sic*).
I must admit there was a time when I thought they were evenly matched. But since then Flintoff has improved out of sight and become consistently brilliant with both bat and ball while Oram, well, hasn't. Injuries haven't helped, but he wouldn't have become as good as Flintoff is now anyway.Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
Jacob Oram's stats...
Code:class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st Tests 20 35 7 1203 133 42.96 2350 51.19 3 4 139 16 12 0
This suggests he's been one of our better batsmen in the past few years.
I wonder if there's a spot for Styris as a batsman only in the team? He certainley has a good record at number 3...
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If anything has got Jacob Oram a regular place in the team, it has to be the dual role factor. He's not that great otherwise, as bowler or even as batsman. His Test batting statistics look good, but he's not been very consistent, just like Sinclair. His bowling has often been an issue if you want a striker, but as a support act, he's just fine. In ODI's, both his batting and bowling stats are less than impressive. If he plays as a batsman only, he'll struggle to make a starting lineup in ODI's. Worse, it will leave NZ without an all-rounder.
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I think Oram can definitely warrant a place as solely a test batsman but i am not sure whether he could warrant a place as solely an odi batter unless he bats further up the order at about 4/5 where he bats for C.D as he is yet to show his worth as an odi batter batting at 7 with an average of about 18.
Going on what he said in the Manawatu Standard last Friday it nearly sounds like that if he gets another back injury he will probably give up the bowling role altogether as i reckon that it would be a shame as although his form over the last two years has been below what it was in the 2003/04 season he still has the potential and skill to be a good odi bowler and a containing bowler in the test match form. It is unlikely that he will never get any further than a containing bowler in the test match form (if he continues as an allrounder) as he is unlikely to increase his pace with the remodelling of his action and the concern in the back of his mind regarding whether or not he is going to break down again.
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