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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
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    I'd still call him medium fast. Speed gun had him up to very nearly 83mph v Oz in the 1st ODI.
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    Really??

    McGrath is either medium or medium fast now, Vaas is defiently medium and Pollock is medium or medium fast in my books. Kallis is fast, he got 150kph yesterday.

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    I'd still classify Kallis as a fast medium, because most of the time he bowls at a slower pace and relies on swing to get him his wickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    I'd still classify Kallis as a fast medium, because most of the time he bowls at a slower pace and relies on swing to get him his wickets.
    Actually I think Kallis is bowling quicker than he has for 4 or 5 years just now, if the speed guns from the Indian & Pakistani series are be believed. It does make me wonder if some of his perceived reluctance to bowl was in fact due to his not being fit to do so, I think he had back probs for a while, hasn't he? That being the case I (& others) probably owe him an apology.

    Still a selfish batsman tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPLCCC View Post
    Ever actually see him bowl, did you? Because if you did you would see he was a major component in Lancashire's successful one day sides of the 90s.
    Yes I saw him bowl in ODIs. He was very fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    All the labels seem fairly arbitrarily applied I'd say. Sky has Flintoff & McGrath both down as Fast Medium & Fred's appreciably faster than the great man.

    Just out of interest, when was the last time a genuine medium pacer (as opposed to medium fast) was selected as a specialist bowler for one of the 8 major test nations? Maybe Bicknell when he came back v SA in 2003?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    Pathan count?
    He's possibly close actually. Borderline case. Medium medium fast, maybe?

    Like I said tho the assignations are seemingly fairly random, so a definitive answer is more-or-less impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    All the labels seem fairly arbitrarily applied I'd say. Sky has Flintoff & McGrath both down as Fast Medium & Fred's appreciably faster than the great man.

    Just out of interest, when was the last time a genuine medium pacer (as opposed to medium fast) was selected as a specialist bowler for one of the 8 major test nations? Maybe Bicknell when he came back v SA in 2003?
    Bryan Strang (in the days when Zim were one of the 9 major Test nations).

    Even Bicknell was still occasionally hitting 77-78mph in 2003.

    Mostly, bowling at out-and-out medium-pace (which I'd define as 65-75, loosely anyway) just doesn't cut the mustard in Tests.

    You need to be medium-fast or fast-medium to get the job done. Otherwise the batsmen just have too much time. Except, maybe, on a WACA wicket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    Pathan count?
    Given that of late he'd never have been anywhere near the side but for his skill with the bat I'd say no.

    What sort of speeds has he been bowling at lately? He still seemed quicker than Bicknell at The Oval.

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    Yes I saw him bowl in ODIs. He was very fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Given that of late he'd never have been anywhere near the side but for his skill with the bat I'd say no.

    What sort of speeds has he been bowling at lately? He still seemed quicker than Bicknell at The Oval.
    Around 77-78mph by the end. He was around 83-85 before, so its quite the loss of pace for a guy who is 22 years old.
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