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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Anyway, with the discussion in the Wisden Cricketers thread about Barnes and what type of bowler he was, would be interesting to see if people would fit Appleyard into this 'medium' category.
    I do -- take note, Bhupinder --; in fact, he came as close as anyone to the Barnes style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Quite irrelevant, as true as that is, because the speed guns measure the pace of the ball out of the hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    If you are going to claim fast-bowling honours for Tait, you really ought to do the same for Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel and Mitchell Johnson. The last-mentioned often eclipsed Tait's speed during the recent Test series with India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    How so? I offer all of the following -- there are no doubt more -- as better than owd Fazal:

    Boyle
    Barnes
    Spofforth
    Tate
    Bedser
    Walker
    Kapil Dev
    Botham
    Pollock
    Vaas

    Some of these, of course, were not exclusively medium-paced and, to make matters worse, not Pakistanis either. Nevertheless, they were comfortably better than your offering when they were cultivating the medium-paced stuff.
    Not sure I agree with Vaas, Pollock, maybe even Dev being comfortably better than Fazal. Botham was more fast than medium most of his career wasn't he? Though your point stands that Fazal was nowhere near the best ever.
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    Fazal was known as the 'Alec Bedser' of Pakistan and made the most of the few opportunities afforded on the world stage during the initial induction into the Test arena.

    Had he played in today's environment, his productivity would've magnified manyfold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    I always enjoyed him. He had perhaps the greatest slower delivery in the modern game. How grossly underrated he was.
    one of my favourite ever players, as you say, extremely underated, a very clever bowler, and very handy with the bat as well, the exact kind of player england could do with in their one day side really.

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    When talking about Medium pacers its obvious that they were more common in years gone by.

    One other overlooked (though not particularly special) Modern genuine medium pacer was Phil Simmons. This game would illustrate his usefulness and be top of his resume
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    Quote Originally Posted by neville cardus View Post
    How so? I offer all of the following -- there are no doubt more -- as better than owd Fazal:

    Boyle
    Barnes
    Spofforth

    Tate
    Bedser
    Walker
    Kapil Dev
    Botham
    Pollock
    Vaas

    Some of these, of course, were not exclusively medium-paced and, to make matters worse, not Pakistanis either. Nevertheless, they were comfortably better than your offering when they were cultivating the medium-paced stuff.
    Fazal was better than all not bolded.

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    Asif.. fully fit asif can do wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon510 View Post
    Asif.. fully fit asif can do wonders.
    Fully fit, Asif bowls at speeds up to 140km/h, however.

    He's definitely medium-fast for mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    Have seen both crank it up to 130kph on quite a few occasions. Can't classify that as medium pace.
    Take your point, but I've also seen Shane Warne bowl a bouncer - doesn't mean he was a fast medium bowler.

    I mean, if we discuss what guys can bowl at on the odd occasion, rather than what they do bowl at most of the time, then every medium pacer will end up being a fast medium bowler, by virtue of a ball or two we've seen them hurl down at 10 or so kph faster than the 99.9% of balls they've bowled over the years.

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