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  • Kenya

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Thread: Which Country Will Be The Next Test Nation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JASON

    The Asian bias was very evident to me when I learnt that SL was repeatedly knocked out of Test status from 1975 to 1982 despite our performances then being far better than what the Kiwis did to get Test status. There was no one helping our case not even India or Pakistan . And there were people at the MCC (then) who repeatedly sat high and mighty on committees (some of them being Lords and belonging Peerage) and rubbed their nose at the thought of another Asian Test nation.

    Zimbabwe got it pretty quickly compared to us and that further convinced me of this Asian bias, but the only thing that flummoxed me with this theory was when Bangladesh got Test status quickly . But that was only because South Africa's Graham Barlow was pretty helpful as their coach and he had some input along with Pakistan using lot of wire pulling to get them in.
    SL were knocked back for test status because they still needed developing..you cant really compare SL to how NZ got into the international scene, it was in a completely different era.

    Also if SL were pushing for test status from say 1975 , well they got to play their first test at the start of 1982, thats actually a pretty short period of time, I would think the desicion would have been made maybe in 1980.

    Zimbabwe in fact had been playing international standard cricket for about twice as long as SL had (first in world cup in 1983,got into tests 10 years later!!!), and in fact were far better place team wise to compete at test level at the start than Sri Lanka were in the early 80s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    Zimbabwe in fact had been playing international standard cricket for about twice as long as SL had (first in world cup in 1983,got into tests 10 years later!!!), and in fact were far better place team wise to compete at test level at the start than Sri Lanka were in the early 80s
    SL were playing International Cricket from 60's . In fact Bradman's Team and England teams on Ashes tours stopped in Colombo and played Ceylon Teams during their stop. (Just that they couldn't be bothered to consider the poor Colony important to give any value to those games !!)

    So when you include that you will find SL has played International Cricket longer before Test status than Zimbabwe whose first International appearance was in 1983.

    Besides SL had a well developed FC Cricket system in place from 60s and this progressed over the 70s .

    Zimbabwe had nothing in terms of Depth !! Shocking when you consider they had only 2 FC teams Matabeland and Mashonaland and just enough White FC cricketers to make 2 or 3 FC teams only to be given Test status !!

    If you go by appearance in World Cup, then Kenya who made it to the very First World Cup with SL in 1975 under the "East Africa" Team should have got Test Status before Zimbabwe.

    ICCs folly of giving Test status to Zim without looking at their lack of depth is now showing quite clearly and recently when the White Zimbabwean cricketers got into strife with Racist Mugabe and his corrupt regime and then lo and behold there was no one else to come into replace them in the Team !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JASON
    SL were playing International Cricket from 60's . In fact Bradman's Team and England teams on Ashes tours stopped in Colombo and played Ceylon Teams during their stop. (Just that they couldn't be bothered to consider the poor Colony important to give any value to those games !!)
    Well Fiji played against England in 1983 I seem to remember. Playing intermitent cricket vs touring teams isnt international cricket in my eyes

    Quote Originally Posted by JASON
    So when you include that you will find SL has played International Cricket longer before Test status than Zimbabwe whose first International appearance was in 1983.

    Besides SL had a well developed FC Cricket system in place from 60s and this progressed over the 70s
    I thought the domestic game in Sri lanka was only considered first class from the 80's.

    Quote Originally Posted by JASON
    Zimbabwe had nothing in terms of Depth !! Shocking when you consider they had only 2 FC teams Matabeland and Mashonaland and just enough White FC cricketers to make 2 or 3 FC teams only to be given Test status !!
    I would consider Zimbabwe 1993 to be stronger than 1981 Sri lanka in terms of ability at TEST level


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    Zim really should have got Test status in the mid-80s. Hick, Curran, Penney and the others wouldn't have left, the nucleus of the 1992 side would have been seven years younger, and the young players like the Flowers and especially Campbell (who should have achieved so much more) would have grown up in a test culture. Zimbabwe were more than good enough in the 80s to play Test cricket, and by 1992 most of the players thought they would have been better off to try to develop cricket in the country, specifically amongst the black population, as part of the South African domestic system, which was newly reopened to them. Ask Houghton, the Flowers, anyone in the 1992 team and they'd tell you they shouldn't have got Test status then. They knew they didn't have the player depth, without widespread black participation, to compete long-term. The only reason they went it alone in the 80s was because the Apartheid regime in SA wouldn't let Zimbabwe into the domestic competition, where once, of course, Rhodesia had been.
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    the odis in usa and canada over the coming months should do them a lot of good.
    Could anyone from any of these places enlighten us on how the game is progressing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    Well Fiji played against England in 1983 I seem to remember. Playing intermitent cricket vs touring teams isnt international cricket in my eyes
    I think you are deliberately trying to compare SL to Fiji in an attempt to belittle SL's cricket history . Sri Lankans have played quality touring Teams from 1940s and played well and these were not expatriates (as in the case of Fiji) but Sri Lankans born and bread. Sri Lanka's school and club cricket history is very rich and strong with native Sri Lankans playing well even at the turn of the Century with their white Colonial masters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    I thought the domestic game in Sri lanka was only considered first class from the 80's.
    You are correct about the Term FC Cricket . Until your country is playing Test Cricket your domestic Cricket will not be given the official FC status (because it will not meet the criteria in terms of aspiring Test quality players and other such criteria). But that does not in any way detract from the fact SL's cricket was of very high quality .(But for the fact it could not have FC status because of lack of Test status and ICC not giving FC status to other countries then)
    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    I would consider Zimbabwe 1993 to be stronger than 1981 Sri lanka in terms of ability at TEST level

    Zimbabwe's cricketers were playing in England in Clubs and leagues and in Currie Cup teams in SA (even though SA was under apartheid ban) . Not surprising they had reasonable standard . Zimbabwe lost by huge margins when it got Test status, SL was competing well with most countries even away on tour although occasionally losing by big margins.( May I refer you to Cricinfo's Archives of SL cricket match score cards. )http://www.cricinfo.com/db/NATIONAL/SL/SERIES/ALL.html

    So your opinion as to Zim were stronger at Test status is subjective and definitely not supported by the score cards that you may see. (In fact SL were in a position to win the very First Test against England on Day 3 or 4 until they blew it completely on the last day)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JASON
    Besides SL had a well developed FC Cricket system in place from 60s and this progressed over the 70s .
    The Logan Cup in Zimbabwe has been in place since 1904.

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    The Logy wasn't a first-class competition until 1992, and before that it was a feeding system for the Rhodesia first-class side. So I think Sri Lanka have the edge there.

    Rhodesian cricket was structured something like schools-club-province-Rhodesia B- Rhodesia. When the country became Zimbabwe, they had to go it alone and the Logy became the feeder for the national side, which of course was now competing at international level.

    The thing was that there were only ever 200,000 white people in Rhodesia. Now, there are about 20,000 in Zim. The cricket authorities knew the moment the country became Zim they'd need to spread the game to cope with the emigration that was bound to occur, and increase the player base so Zim could compete on the international stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubb
    The Logy wasn't a first-class competition until 1992, and before that it was a feeding system for the Rhodesia first-class side. So I think Sri Lanka have the edge there.
    Well, that was for the reasons JASON explained. In fact, the Sri Lankan domestic competition wasn't given first class status until 1988-89 - at least according to cricketarchive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JASON
    I think you are deliberately trying to compare SL to Fiji in an attempt to belittle SL's cricket history . Sri Lankans have played quality touring Teams from 1940s and played well and these were not expatriates (as in the case of Fiji) but Sri Lankans born and bread. Sri Lanka's school and club cricket history is very rich and strong with native Sri Lankans playing well even at the turn of the Century with their white Colonial masters.
    I am not trying to belittle Sl's cricketing history, all I am saying is I dont consider the odd touring team coming over as a part of a tour of the sub continent and playing the odd game vs Australia o whoever 60 years ago or whatever to be really involved with the international cricket scene.



    Quote Originally Posted by JASON
    You are correct about the Term FC Cricket . Until your country is playing Test Cricket your domestic Cricket will not be given the official FC status (because it will not meet the criteria in terms of aspiring Test quality players and other such criteria). But that does not in any way detract from the fact SL's cricket was of very high quality .(But for the fact it could not have FC status because of lack of Test status and ICC not giving FC status to other countries then)
    'A Very High Quality'- by what standards?

    Now earlier you said that SL had been not allowed to play test cricket from 1975 (the time you implied they first tried to gain that status) to 1981/82....now really 5 or 6 years isnt really that long

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarkmullet
    You've got a similar population to NZ don't you...about 4 million?

    Can't argue about the weather though.
    Going by that, Scotland actually have a bigger population. But the sporting culture here isn't that same as in NZ. Sport in Scotland is dominated by football, but not many even participate in that... I assume participation in sport is rich in NZ.

    Scottish cricket is steadily growing, and the ICC and C&G competitions will only help to improve it, but we won't become a Test nation for at least 50 years, if ever, I'd have thought.

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    It has to be Wales.

    Ive written about this a number of times and they are a logical progression.

    Glamorgan could still exist (as they represent the county not the country) and other countries like Rhodesia have played in another countries FC comp and gone on to be Test nations.

    Wales also gives many more opportunities for countries to play in the Northern Hemesphere summer and that can only be good for the game and for the finances of European cricket.

    If they started tomorrow they would not be the worst test team and that is a 1st for a team being given Test status
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    It wouldnt really broaden the game though as wales are already represented. I agree they probably should have been considered separate from the start, but at the moment it seems just a dilution of the game here, rather than expansion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by albo97056
    It wouldnt really broaden the game though as wales are already represented. I agree they probably should have been considered separate from the start, but at the moment it seems just a dilution of the game here, rather than expansion...
    Broadening or not, they deserve to be next based on the simple fact that they are by far the best of any non-test playing country.

    It would broaden the game by giving Scot, Neth and Ire more ODIs as there is local opposition who need games and get allow teams like Zim and Bang to travel and play more games in the UK to add to their experience.

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