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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    So with England touring in November and their poor Ashes, reckon it'll be a clean 2-0 for us? England generally are good at bouncing back and can be unpredictable sometimes (Sri Lanka 3-0), but too short a turn around to work out their problems?

    I think we're due a tour there in 2022, by which time they'll have fully turned things round you'd expect.
    Too close to call. The English bowling attack is potentially very strong. The likes of Burns, Root & Stokes shouldn't be fazed by early season NZ conditions.

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    Glad there's a good break before the England series and the rest of the summer, the players really need to put their feet up following a pretty emotionally draining world cup and a short but intense Sri Lanka tour after that.

    Though I think someone like Raval might have have benefited from appearing in the final round of the county championship given he gets a lot less international cricket than the others. I tend to agree with Flem that he's better against quick bowling than Latham, but IMO the long breaks between NZ's test series in the last 2 years haven't helped him. As I recall he didn't have a great time of it with Yorkshire last year and that could be why he hasn't been signed up this time around,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Raval's 2016/17 purple patch.
    Before bowlers worked out that if you operate in the channel to Raval going across him and never get straight, he can't hurt you. Hasn't done too much since then other than the Bangladesh ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Which is why Latham averaged 36 when England last toured NZ, and Raval averaged 8.
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    This is blatantly not true. What could you possibly be basing it on?
    raval has 560 runs @ 35 against south africa, england and pakistan

    while he does average 8 against england, he averages 64 against south africa and 31 against pakistan. granted, he has not yet played against australia.

    tom latham averages 27 with 808 runs against those same sides. 36 against england, 31 against pakistan and a whopping 11 against south africa

    if you add in australia and india, who raval has not yet played so i didn't include them until now because it wouldn't be fair on latham, his record stays about the same. 1330 runs at 28.

    up until the most recent test match tom latham was pretty worthless at his primary role - opening the batting against pace attacks in pace friendly conditions.

    raval averages 42 in nz against the good pace attacks he's faced, latham 24.

    if you want to use simon doull memes, in nz raval has faced more balls than latham from 3 less tests against these teams, which means he's doing a better job of blunting the new ball.

    latham is a far superior player of spin and imo would make an excellent #5, but we're not comparing #5 batsmen here.
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    Flem, we all know you think that Latham scoring 264 against a Sri Lanka team that went on to role SA twice doesn't count because reasons, but even if you set that aside, at the end of the day, there's no strong basis for saying Raval is a better player of quick bowling.

    Against Pakistan both players average 31, against WI both average low 40's, against England Latham holds the advantage, and against SA Raval does. Your entire argument is built on a solitary test series (SA's tour in 2017). Raval has never toured any of the fast bowling dominant countries (Aus, England, SA, WI), and has played neither of the two best fast bowling attacks in the world currently, so please spare us about how obviously clearly superior he is against pace.
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    Genuinely concerned for Raval in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Flem, we all know you think that Latham scoring 264 against a Sri Lanka team that went on to role SA twice doesn't count because reasons, but even if you set that aside, at the end of the day, there's no strong basis for saying Raval is a better player of quick bowling.

    Against Pakistan both players average 31, against WI both average low 40's, against England Latham holds the advantage, and against SA Raval does. Your entire argument is built on a solitary test series (SA's tour in 2017). Raval has never toured any of the fast bowling dominant countries (Aus, England, SA, WI), and has played neither of the two best fast bowling attacks in the world currently, so please spare us about how obviously clearly superior he is against pace.
    this argument is not built around one series, you can see the full breakdown above. that series was also much better than latham's england series being bandied around as some kind of clincher.

    raval has not yet toured some countries, which i acknowledged in the aforementioned post, so that shouldn't be getting used as a gotcha.

    neither player has played against the two current best, who i take you mean as australia and england, which is probably still pretty harsh on sa. against the best both have faced, latham was terrible.

    latham should absolutely be one of if not the premier opener in the world because he so obviously has the talent for it but until he stops his khawaja impersonation im going to be pretty staunchly arguing against the 'raval's spot in trouble, latham forever look 10 test hundreds' line of thinking because when you need them to fulfill their core role the most they're very similar players at best.

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    https://www.cricschedule.com/ftp/team/new-zealand.html

    So was looking at the future tours and noticed NZ is only playing like 3 tests in 2021! And they are playing 3 tests against Australia between 2019 - 2022 (4 years)! Is this schedule set in stone or can it really change?

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    Really feel like we need to figure out a genius plan for Steve Smith, or hope for an injury. Or more sandpaper issues.

    That guy is another level at the moment. Could make a lot of hay on some Australian roads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    https://www.cricschedule.com/ftp/team/new-zealand.html

    So was looking at the future tours and noticed NZ is only playing like 3 tests in 2021! And they are playing 3 tests against Australia between 2019 - 2022 (4 years)! Is this schedule set in stone or can it really change?
    When you look at the schedule there, it looks TERRIBLE. Iím sure itís not that bad. It looks like we never play tests overseas...

    Feel like this one looks a bit better. Hopefully add a test vs Afghanistan and/or Ireland too

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/new-zealand-cricket-release-ftp-for-men-2018-2023-721364/amp/
    Last edited by Jezroy; 14-09-2019 at 01:06 AM.

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    6 tests scheduled in 2021 (2 each v Pakistan, India and Bangladesh...and maybe 1 more if we make the WTC final). Thatís undeniably lean, though itís somewhat balanced out by the 10 tests weíre scheduled to play in 2022 (3 v England, 2 each v SA, Pakistan and SL and 1 v Ireland).

    And yeah it sucks that apparently no oneís very interested in arranging an Aus v Nz test series in NZ. Really the schedule is missing 3 series - tours of SA and WI, and a visit by Australia.
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    Do NZ A gave a tour or inbound series this year?

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    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    6 tests scheduled in 2021 (2 each v Pakistan, India and Bangladesh...and maybe 1 more if we make the WTC final). That’s undeniably lean, though it’s somewhat balanced out by the 10 tests we’re scheduled to play in 2022 (3 v England, 2 each v SA, Pakistan and SL and 1 v Ireland).

    And yeah it sucks that apparently no one’s very interested in arranging an Aus v Nz test series in NZ. Really the schedule is missing 3 series - tours of SA and WI, and a visit by Australia.
    I just don't get why we hardly ever do test tours to the West Indies and Sri Lanka. Guessing it's cost prohibitive for these teams to host us ie. hard to sell to broadcasters for big $$$

    Also strange considering that we seem to be held in pretty good regard at the moment - both in terms of being competitive and with regard to being a liked team.

    I do get why Australia struggle to come here - by the end of their season they aren't really that keen to tack another two tests on (let's be honest - David White wouldn't host them for three tests when we could white ball!), plus they like to give their guys a break before the IPL...



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