*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[Bahnz]

Yeah they'd have to win basically every match to make the final. While you'd think we'd be odds on to go 5-0 next season, there's always weather to be accounted for. And winning the 2nd test and in Bangladesh are both big asks.

 

[honestbharani]

I guess the NZ players can play full IPL and county seasons then. I guess given how NZC ain't all that cash rich, this is a nice way for the players to make some extra dough. Maybe that is why they didn't schedule anything?

 

[nzfan]

Kane Williamson (c), Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Jimmy Neesham, Henry Nicholls, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor.

What do you guys make of the one day team just announced? Still keeping Southee in the team, I'm not so sure about that. When really will the team management start bringing in players that can likely play the next world cup in India? Otherwise if the majority of these guys go out of form or get too old to run around and they need to be dropped we will have built no backups yet.

I would have liked to see Chapman added to the squad and Southee not selected. Southee has done really well in red ball and leave him there no worries but to keep picking him for white ball when you have other players that can perform with the bat and ball better than him is a bit disappointing. Bennett should have gone but obviously he can't as he's injured. I'd have rather if they took someone like Kuggs or even Tickener.

Pretty sure we are likely not going to have Guptill or Taylor for the next world cup. Unless Tim Southee can somehow start bowling at 140 ticks I don't see him going to the world cup as well. Hope we don't carry a dad's army and try to win the world cup. Hoping for a good mix of youth and experience. If Rosco can keep playing that'll be great.

 

[NZTailender]

Batting is fairly so-so. They're very intent on making Blundell a ODI thing which, while I like Blundell, is a bit of a misstep when guys like Young need to be blooded. Blundell averages 24 in List A and won't be keeping wicket. Conservative choice imo, even though he will bat wherever needed as batting cover.

Southee-Boult need to do Anderson-Broad in ODIs, as in, focus on long form. That said, Southee had his best ODI series in ages against India. Still, averaging 82 in Australia isn't the greatest, and one assumes he'll be bowling cover, not in the first XI.

1. Guptill
2. Nicholls
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. Latham+
6. de Grandhomme
7. Neesham
8. Santner
9. Henry
10. Ferguson
11. Boult

 

[jcas0167]

Could care less about the World Cup at this stage. I just want them to win the Hadlee Chappell (or at least regain some respectability in Australia after that recent debacle). There will be plenty of JAMODI's in the coming year or so to give Chapman, Seifert, Phillips & co some more opportunities.

I am interested to see who they go with for the starting line-up. I really hope that Jamieson is included even though that would potentially be harsh on Henry. But the difference he made in the tests and ODI's he played with his extra height and batting ability was incredible.

 

[Chewie]

Yea if they want a backup keeper, then Philips or Seifert makes more sense than Blundell

 

[NZTailender]

Could care less about the World Cup at this stage. I just want them to win the Hadlee Chappell. There will be plenty of JAMODI's in the coming year or so to give Chapman, Seifert, Phillips & co some more opportunities.

I am interested to see who they go with the for the starting line-up. I really hope that Jamieson is included even though that would potentially be harsh on Henry.

Henry is incumbent, but doesn't have a great track record in Aus, though small sample size. Boult-Ferguson-Jamieson probably has the most variety in terms of swing, pace, seam and bounce.

 

[sphynx]

The last game is almost in April in Hobart.

What could possibly go wrong......

They better pack their knit's.

 

[thundaboult]

Getting kohli out bowled in the second odi bought southee another 6 years in the LO team. The management just looks for any excuse to get him in.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Thought Bennett did well enough to get a shot ahead of Southee in the squad.

 

[Moss]

Would Bennett have made the squad even if fit?

Agree that Boult, Ferguson and Jaimeson should be the first choice attack, the additional batting depth from Jaimeson would be welcome. Can see the selectors being swayed once again by Southee's test form though.

Wish there was room for Young in the batting lineup, he played exceedingly well in those A games in Australia last year, right? Batting Guptill and Neesham, pretty much everyone in the top 8 figured in the test series and I don't think Australia would be complaining too much at being up against the same set.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Is Bennett missing due to that injury?

Southee averaged 46 in that Indian series, Bennett 33, with a half a run difference in RPO, surely Bennett gets that spot if he is fit.

 

[Grasshopper]

Pleasantly surprised that Munro's missed the cut. Long overdue imho.

 

[thundaboult]

Pleasantly surprised that Munro's missed the cut. Long overdue imho.

He was missing from the squad against India too, I think. But yeah, he's well past it.

 

[thundaboult]

Would Bennett have made the squad even if fit?

Agree that Boult, Ferguson and Jaimeson should be the first choice attack, the additional batting depth from Jaimeson would be welcome. Can see the selectors being swayed once again by Southee's test form though.

Wish there was room for Young in the batting lineup, he played exceedingly well in those A games in Australia last year, right? Batting Guptill and Neesham, pretty much everyone in the top 8 figured in the test series and I don't think Australia would be complaining too much at being up against the same set.

Young has been ok-ish since return. Got a few fifties across formats. A big one and I reckon the alarm bells go off inside NZC and he's in. I think common sense will prevail and we will only see Southee on the bench. Despite his extreme hot and cold form with the ball recently, I'd easily even have Kuggs in front of CDG or Southee. His batting looks in good touch but bowling is meh at the moment, seems to also be down on pace by 3-6 k's. A fit Bennett would surely come in for Southee. He's basically in the same boat, same sort of age, not going to the next ODI WC...but can at least bowl fast and not rely on nepotism.

Another one I was thinking of....Jamieson looks just as good a bat as Santner from what we've seen so far or am I overrating him?? I mean, Santner is our No.1 LO spinner but maybe a 4 man attack of Henry, Jamieson, Lockie and Boult could also do? Its a tempting prospect and I'd love to see that happen.

 

[Moss]

Young has been ok-ish since return. Got a few fifties across formats. A big one and I reckon the alarm bells go off inside NZC and he's in.

Yeah agree, he's not quite set the domestic scene or A series on fire since returning. I'm just a bit concerned about the opportunity cost of delaying the introduction of fringe players into the national side (if that makes sense). Blundell for example had to wait a good 2 years after his debut to get into the playing XI (thanks to Raval's lean patch) and while he's done well he could have easily gone stale from his time on the outer.

Young is nearly 28 now and while the selectors were right in seriously bringing him into consideration only when he started improving his domestic output, you'd have to hope they bite the bullet soon.Since everyone seems to agree most ODIs are low-stakes, surely that where you start bringing long term hopefuls into the international fold.

 

[Howsie]

Southee is a damn leach when it comes to white ball selection. He’s been terrible for five bloody years now, I don’t even think a Bangladeshi player would get away with being that horrible for this long nowadays

 

[Flem274*]

the squad lacks courage. i love him but im not sure cdg will be there in 2023. taylor has been pretty firm he wants to be there but ok i guess. southee should be a test specialist, as should blundell.

Southee is a damn leach when it comes to white ball selection. He’s been terrible for five bloody years now, I don’t even think a Bangladeshi player would get away with being that horrible for this long nowadays

rubel in tests

 

[jcas0167]

the squad lacks courage. i love him but im not sure cdg will be there in 2023. taylor has been pretty firm he wants to be there but ok i guess. southee should be a test specialist, as should blundell.

Who would you pick ahead of CdG for this series? Unless there is someone obviously ahead of him on form it seems very unfair to omit him from probably the most important ODI series NZ plays in. If they want to trial some future all-rounders there will presumably be plenty of opportunities against less testing opposition next home season.

Not sure about Blundell. I think he scored a ton in one of those WC warm ups against Australia where Young did so well? I think, as with Nicholls, they like his temperament even though there are more dynamic shot makers like Phillips (who I would pick) or Seifert.

 

[Flem274*]

Who would you pick ahead of CdG for this series? Unless there is someone obviously ahead of him on form it seems very unfair to omit him from probably the most important ODI series NZ plays in. If they want to trial some future all-rounders there will presumably be plenty of opportunities against less testing opposition next home season.

someone who will be unretired in 2023.

this series is one of the least important because conditions couldn't be more different to india 2023.

kiwis need to let go of the idea that australia are the ultimate, especially in jamodis. we can't hurt them by winning jamodis anyway, but we can hurt ourselves by overvaluing them.

indias 4-1 jamodi win down here was ancient history after the wc semi. do you remember those jamodis? i don't, but i remember the beautiful, majestic indian top order collapse in the semi after the commentators had spent 50 overs fellating india.