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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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TheBrand
First Class Debutant
And Neesham, if that's the case then we need to be testing this out against India.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Boult - 10
Southee/Henry/Ferguson/other frontline 10
Ferguson/Henry/Southee/other frontline 10
Santner 10
so you make up 10 more with Neesham or CDG + Munro and Kane
It's really not an issue in the slightest. The issue is the top 3 bowling positions not delivering the goods.
Southee/Henry/Ferguson/other frontline 10
Ferguson/Henry/Southee/other frontline 10
Santner 10
so you make up 10 more with Neesham or CDG + Munro and Kane
It's really not an issue in the slightest. The issue is the top 3 bowling positions not delivering the goods.
TheBrand
First Class Debutant
I'd argue that is an issue because we havent had a chance to actually do it yet. I'd feel way more comfortable getting 10 out of Neesham/CdG/Munro/Kane rather than just 3 of them.
Don't know too much about English conditions but been hearing/reading likely both Sodhi and Santner will play. Considering the inconsistency our regulars have been bowling with we'll probably need to aim for 60 overs worth of options
Southee, Boult and Ferguson. Only need 10 overs from Neesham/Williamson/Munro
Boult & Southee. Around 20 overs from Neesham/Williamson/Munro + CDG if you prefer over Nicholls
Southee, Boult and Ferguson. Only need 10 overs from Neesham/Williamson/Munro
Boult & Southee. Around 20 overs from Neesham/Williamson/Munro + CDG if you prefer over Nicholls
Neil Young
State Vice-Captain
I hope not. Unless the Nicholls version we see is the one from the other day. That version I can get on board with.
Moss
International Vice-Captain
Getting the balance of the XI right is going to be important. I like the idea of 2 spinners, 3 frontline quicks and 1 batting allrounder from 5 onwards, covers all bases with regard to bowling while still providing enough hitting power down the order. The team sheet would then read:
Guptill, Munro, KW, Taylor, Latham, Neesham, Santner, Southee (or Henry or Milne), Sodhi, Ferguson, Boult
The flip slide to this is, thinking back to the 2011 QF South Africa went with something similar and the lower half had Johan Botha at 7 and Robin Peterson at 8, and we know how that ended. Can definitely see NZ facing similar issues if the top order leaves the job unfinished.
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Santner a better bat and bowler than both, Sodhi a better bowler than both too. SA's problem there is they picked two NcCullum type players and didn't come off. Don't think we should be that concerned tbh.
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nzfan
International Vice-Captain
The recipe for a good one day side is, consistent but aggressive openers. One quick bowler that picks wickets up front, 2 very good spinners to chip in with wickets, couple of big hitters at no.7 and no.8 to finish the job if required. Most countries middle order is generally sorted as most experienced players play in the middle order and they are usually consistent. Then go out and play fearless cricket. Easier than said to get this mix but we do have resources available to put together a team of this kind. Munro can only be a short term solution in my opinion. Recently I read he now wants to play like a proper player in the one day and string big runs. Now that surely will cause some confusion and unfortunately his batting isn't necessarily good enough to be able to do this. If he was 24, sure he can go back work on it and slowly build it up but he's 31, playing two formats for NZ and leagues around the world. He's barely going to find time to work on his batting in his own time and change it to suit the one day game. If he hangs around a little bit longer than 10 overs scoring at less than run a ball he will hole out and waste his ability to attack up front.
If we have our opening players in form and firing all cylinders we will have a great chance this world cup. It's very tough to say we can win it but we will make the semis and from then on it will be anyone's game.
If we have our opening players in form and firing all cylinders we will have a great chance this world cup. It's very tough to say we can win it but we will make the semis and from then on it will be anyone's game.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
That sounds like he doesn't know his game.
We have 3 guys who can go out and string together big scores, plus two who look like they might add to that (Latham, Nicholls).
Baz, towards the end of his career, wasn't about big scores. It was about 50 (20) so there was less pressure on Guptill, Kane and Taylor.
Actually, most of his ODI career was like that.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Today I learned Baz's ODI centuries came against Canada, Ireland, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Colin Munro aims to tweak code T20 to suit ODI requirement - ESPNcricinfo
Excerpts from the article
"In T20 it's a bit of fun and you try and go from ball one," he said. "But in one-day cricket I've found that although early on sometimes I can play the same way as I do in a T20, to get off to a flyer, sometimes that's not the case and it's about playing to the conditions and playing to the situation of what the team needs. You might lose a couple of early wickets and you've got to knuckle down and play the longer game. Otherwise, on another day, if Guptill and I are both going, we could be 70, 80, 90 off the Powerplay - who knows?"
"The biggest thing is taking those first five or ten overs and trying to assess conditions," Munro said. "Then communicating that back to the shed is important as well."
But what perhaps had been happening was a failure to adapt to the specific conditions before him, and to the opposition attack. "The biggest thing is taking those first five or ten overs and trying to assess conditions," Munro said. "Then communicating that back to the shed is important as well."
Excerpts from the article
"In T20 it's a bit of fun and you try and go from ball one," he said. "But in one-day cricket I've found that although early on sometimes I can play the same way as I do in a T20, to get off to a flyer, sometimes that's not the case and it's about playing to the conditions and playing to the situation of what the team needs. You might lose a couple of early wickets and you've got to knuckle down and play the longer game. Otherwise, on another day, if Guptill and I are both going, we could be 70, 80, 90 off the Powerplay - who knows?"
"The biggest thing is taking those first five or ten overs and trying to assess conditions," Munro said. "Then communicating that back to the shed is important as well."
But what perhaps had been happening was a failure to adapt to the specific conditions before him, and to the opposition attack. "The biggest thing is taking those first five or ten overs and trying to assess conditions," Munro said. "Then communicating that back to the shed is important as well."
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
Finally some questions in the media about Hamish Bennett's continuing omission: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...-bennetts-black-caps-snub-continues-to-baffle
Flem274*
123/5
here's a teaser for the thread - do we put boult and southee into odi retirement post world cup to preserve them for test cricket?
there's a few blokes in their 30s who might not make 2023. im pretty sure ross will bow out after this one, so you'd think nicholls or latham will go to #4. i think both lord colins are past 30? guptill should go for another world cup imo since he's a specialist.
there's a few blokes in their 30s who might not make 2023. im pretty sure ross will bow out after this one, so you'd think nicholls or latham will go to #4. i think both lord colins are past 30? guptill should go for another world cup imo since he's a specialist.
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
I don't know about Boult, but I've been thinking this World Cup may be Southee's last hurrah in the ODI side. I've heard there is concern at his poor white ball form ... but it seems too late for the selectors to change direction away from him now for this tournament.
Taylor will keep going I think, averaging over 90 in the last year and a bit, he might as well make hay while the sun shines.
Taylor will keep going I think, averaging over 90 in the last year and a bit, he might as well make hay while the sun shines.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
think it's a bit generous to call it "poor form". When you average 40+ for three years on the trot that aint form that's just ineffectiveness.
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
If you look at his ODI bowling summary on cricinfo, there's actually only been two calendar years that he's averaged under 30 for ... his average vs Aus is 62, India 35, South Africa 65, England a good 28 (although he got a fifth of his wickets vs them from 20 matches in one game). There should be massive concerns.