*** un-Official - New Zealand Black Caps Thread ***

[TT Boy]

Originally Posted by NZTailender

Looks as though Papps and How will open in South Africa.

How and Papps were awesome last time around in South Africa, neither one of them scored more than 22...

Should do ‘better’ this time though. The series is going on when historically the wickets should be less favourable to the seamers than it was when New Zealand last toured in May 06.

[NZTailender]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

How and Papps were awesome last time around in South Africa, neither one of them scored more than 22...

Should do ‘better’ this time though. The series is going on when historically the wickets should be less favourable to the seamers than it was when New Zealand last toured in May 06.

Can see NZ piling on 400-500 in the first innings then 70-140 in the second.

[Fiery]

Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

[Bahnz]

Well the emerging players tournament is over an has turned up some interesting things. I've managed to get some statistics for the tournament, though they're incomplete as I couldn't find the scorecard for one of the games.

Anyway, the bowling form has been encouraging, especially for James McMillan and Hamish Bennett, while Nathan McCullum turned in some good performances as well.

Bowlers
McCullum: 9 wickets at 26.44
McMillan: 8 wickets at 20.88
Bennett: 8 wickets at 20.88
Scott: 7 wickets at 26.29
Nicol: 6 wickets at 24.83
Adams: 5 wickets at 34.2
O'Brien: 3 wickets at 38.33

Disappointing from O'Brien, but I get the feeling he was always going to struggle in international cricket anyway. If McMillan can stay fit, I reckon he might be a bolter for the 20/20 World Cup, while Scott looks like a useful one day left armer and Bennett seems to have improved his accuracy quite a lot.

The batting however is very troubling. Of the entire side, only the much derided James Marshall managed to average over 30.

Batters
Marshall: 223 runs at 31.86
Broom: 172 runs at 24.57
Elliot: 163 runs at 27.17
McCullum: 123 runs at 20.6
Redmond: 115 runs at 19.17
How: 108 runs at 18
Hopkins: 102 runs at 20.4
Nicol: 64 runs at 12.8

Not very impressive. Admittedly, Cumming and Ryder were missing from the side but it still doesn't paint a pretty picture. Pretty good stuff from Elliot though on his first trip with the A-side.

So, what can we make of this tour? Who has a chance to make it into the blackcaps?

[Fiery]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

Well the emerging players tournament is over an has turned up some interesting things. I've managed to get some statistics for the tournament, though they're incomplete as I couldn't find the scorecard for one of the games.

Anyway, the bowling form has been encouraging, especially for James McMillan and Hamish Bennett, while Nathan McCullum turned in some good performances as well.

Bowlers
McCullum: 9 wickets at 26.44
McMillan: 8 wickets at 20.88
Bennett: 8 wickets at 20.88
Scott: 7 wickets at 26.29
Nicol: 6 wickets at 24.83
Adams: 5 wickets at 34.2
O'Brien: 3 wickets at 38.33

Disappointing from O'Brien, but I get the feeling he was always going to struggle in international cricket anyway. If McMillan can stay fit, I reckon he might be a bolter for the 20/20 World Cup, while Scott looks like a useful one day left armer and Bennett seems to have improved his accuracy quite a lot.

The batting however is very troubling. Of the entire side, only the much derided James Marshall managed to average over 30.

Batters
Marshall: 223 runs at 31.86
Broom: 172 runs at 24.57
Elliot: 163 runs at 27.17
McCullum: 123 runs at 20.6
Redmond: 115 runs at 19.17
How: 108 runs at 18
Hopkins: 102 runs at 20.4
Nicol: 64 runs at 12.8

Not very impressive. Admittedly, Cumming and Ryder were missing from the side but it still doesn't paint a pretty picture. Pretty good stuff from Elliot though on his first trip with the A-side.

So, what can we make of this tour? Who has a chance to make it into the blackcaps?

You've doubled up on Bennett and McMillan's bowling figures there mate, (unless of course they are in fact exactly the same)

[Perm]

I don't think Cumming would have made a great deal of difference, he is an average List A player but had quite a good last season which probably put him in the mix. Ryder is also quite a poor List A bastman and I don't think he should be in consideration for the ODI team, especially given his weight problems which could well hinder him in the field. Those two should come close to the Test side though.

Not too sure where you got those stats from Bahnz, but these look a little more official, not quite complete though.

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Elliott didn't get much of a chance to bowl, did he. Then, I guess it wasn't needed. On paper though, the Kiwi bowling was much stronger than the batting. I'm disappointed with Aaron Redmond and Rob Nicol with the bat. I still think Hiini should have been in the squad that went over there, along with Peter Ingram.

[Perm]

Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

Elliott didn't get much of a chance to bowl, did he. Then, I guess it wasn't needed. On paper though, the Kiwi bowling was much stronger than the batting. I'm disappointed with Aaron Redmond and Rob Nicol with the bat. I still think Hiini should have been in the squad that went over there, along with Peter Ingram.

TBF both Redmond and Nicol are much better First Class players than List A players, they were unlucky they didn't have the chance to impress in a few four day games over there.

[Bahnz]

Originally Posted by Fiery

You've doubled up on Bennett and McMillan's bowling figures there mate, (unless of course they are in fact exactly the same)

Nope I double checked, and they have the exact same figures for the series.

[Bahnz]

Originally Posted by Perm

I don't think Cumming would have made a great deal of difference, he is an average List A player but had quite a good last season which probably put him in the mix. Ryder is also quite a poor List A bastman and I don't think he should be in consideration for the ODI team, especially given his weight problems which could well hinder him in the field. Those two should come close to the Test side though.

Not too sure where you got those stats from Bahnz, but these look a little more official, not quite complete though.

I got my figures using excel and the score sheets provided. The official records include the results from the 20/20 games, which I didn't include in my summary, as obviously one day and 20/20 cricket are completely different.

Cumming did have a pretty solid season in List A last year, and Ryder performed superbly for NZA in last years emerging players tournament. I just get the feeling they would have done a lot better than How and Redmond.

[Fiery]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

Nope I double checked, and they have the exact same figures for the series.

Really?....D'oh!

Quite a coincidence though

[Flem274*]

Dig.

I know we're about to get floods of season reviews and discussion so lets keep it coherent in one thread.

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by Natman20

Players I would like to see in the future....

Mark Gillespie - As said earlier hes gat a much better domestic record than Martin lately.
Graeme Aldridge - Also has shown some bowling talent over the past few seasons
Bruce Martin and Nathan Mcullum - Both have potential and could get places IMO
Ross Taylor - Of course hes going to be in the squad more often after WC probably
Jesse Ryder - Another one that is promising with the bat but would he succeed? Big ?

Thats it really at the moment but a player I would like to see play is Jonathan Trott even though I don't think he'll ever want to play for us or get residency here. I still can't believe they use 7 bowlers ahead of him in county cricket, it's puzzling although his figures were 1-22 off 2 overs in his last spell.

The blackcaps have some potentially good players to fill in spots in the future. Looking forward to the WC and hope to see something special from our players.

How does everyone think our squad would fit in West Indies conditions?

Decent calls.

[Bahnz]

Ah the good old days...

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

Well the emerging players tournament is over an has turned up some interesting things. I've managed to get some statistics for the tournament, though they're incomplete as I couldn't find the scorecard for one of the games.

Heh, yes they turned out to be a disappointing crop - O'Brien the surprising exception (and a bit of N.McCullum).