*** un-Official - New Zealand Black Caps Thread ***

[Fiery]

Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Who was the last over 35 year-old to represent NZ in test cricket? John Wright in 1993?

Do you see this as a problem for NZ cricket that no-one is looking to extend their careers, and thus offer a heap of experience for the young players?

Mark Priest was nearly 37. Andrew Jones was 35 when he played his last test in 1995. Chris Harris was 35 when he played his last ODI.

[NZTailender]

Sinclair accepts the contract.

Anyone feel he'd probably benefit playing a season overseas, probably English County?

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by NZTailender

Sinclair accepts the contract.

Anyone feel he'd probably benefit playing a season overseas, probably English County?

A shocker that he had to get the contract this way, but I am glad he got it.

Yeah, definitely, I cant see why he hasn't played English County cricket before.

Oh and Days of Grace, another Kiwi in Japan?

[Days of Grace]

Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA

Oh and Days of Grace, another Kiwi in Japan?

Yeah, in Miyazaki, soon to move to either Gunma or Chiba.

What are you doing in Japan?

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Yeah, in Miyazaki, soon to move to either Gunma or Chiba.

What are you doing in Japan?

Studying, 3rd year at Osaka University, School of Economics.

Go Chiba, i say!!

Teacher?

[Days of Grace]

Yes. ALT. Maybe looking to get into translating for a media company in the future.

[Days of Grace]

IMO NZ should get as many of its cricketers as possible playing in England during the winter months. Fleming came back a much improved batsmen after his stint over there.

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by Days of Grace

IMO NZ should get as many of its cricketers as possible playing in England during the winter months. Fleming came back a much improved batsmen after his stint over there.

........and Marshall got bucket loads of runs over there, and decided that was enough, and stopped scoring for NZ.

[KiWiNiNjA]

Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Yes. ALT. Maybe looking to get into translating for a media company in the future.

......as long as you dont work for Nova

[Flem274*]

Oram is a good test allrounder. With a batting average of 39.38 that is superb for an allrounder. His bowling average of 34.35 isn't bad either though its his economy rate that impresses me the most, 2.56
Compare it to Flintoff and Kallis who have averages of:

Flintoff

Bat=32.50
Bowl=32.02

Kallis

Bat=55.09
Bowl=31.71

Where does Oram rank in your opinion? I would rank it Kallis, Oram, Flintoff based on those records yet Flintoff is often talked about as better than Oram despite his poorer test record.

Also what do you see in the future for Jeetan Patel? I think he will be better than Vettori. He's been asked to bowl at the death and during powerplays which would increase his bolwing average I imagine. I'd like to see them bowling in tandem especially in ODIs because most of the seamers are crap anyway.

Patel

ODI Bowling=31.53
Test Bowling (1 test)=39.00

Vettori

ODI bowling=32.94
Test bowling=34.26

[Bahnz]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Oram is a good test allrounder. With a batting average of 39.38 that is superb for an allrounder. His bowling average of 34.35 isn't bad either though its his economy rate that impresses me the most, 2.56
Compare it to Flintoff and Kallis who have averages of:

Flintoff

Bat=32.50
Bowl=32.02

Kallis

Bat=55.09
Bowl=31.71

Where does Oram rank in your opinion? I would rank it Kallis, Oram, Flintoff based on those records yet Flintoff is often talked about as better than Oram despite his poorer test record.

Also what do you see in the future for Jeetan Patel? I think he will be better than Vettori. He's been asked to bowl at the death and during powerplays which would increase his bolwing average I imagine. I'd like to see them bowling in tandem especially in ODIs because most of the seamers are crap anyway.

Patel

ODI Bowling=31.53
Test Bowling (1 test)=39.00

Vettori

ODI bowling=32.94
Test bowling=34.26

Umm, Oram better than Flintoff? I hate to break this to you, but to be a good test all rounder, you need to be able to take wickets. Oram hasn't ever really been a threatening test bowler. Sure he might still be able to get 2 or 3 wickets on New Zealand green tops, but lets look at the facts. His regular speed is 125-130 kilometres an hour, he doesn't swing it, doesn't get a lot of movement of the seam, and doesn't even have a slower ball. In test cricket he's basically a slightly more rapid version of Gavin Larsen. He is probably a better batsman against Flintoff (except against spin), but he's certainly not a better all rounder. Why, just within the New Zealand time I'd say that Daniel Vettori and James Franklin are closer to being genuine allrounders than Oram.

As for Patel being better than Vettori, only time will tell, but I doubt it. He doesn't really have that much variation and I really haven't seen bowl at the death in two or three matches.

[NZTailender]

As far as batting goes Kallis>Oram>Flintoff.
As far as bowling goes Flintoff>Oram>Kallis.

In tests, anyway.

[NZTailender]

Anyway, our all time best test XI?

1. B Sutcliffe
2. G Turner
3. A Jones
4. M Crowe
5. S Fleming*
6. C Cairns
7. B McCullum+
8. R Hadlee
9. D Vettori
10. S Bond
11. J Cowie

[Macka]

Originally Posted by NZTailender

Anyway, our all time best test XI?

1. B Sutcliffe
2. G Turner
3. A Jones
4. M Crowe
5. S Fleming*
6. C Cairns
7. B McCullum+
8. R Hadlee
9. D Vettori
10. S Bond
11. J Cowie

Uh, why are McCullum and Fleming in there?

[Perm]

Originally Posted by Macka

Uh, why are McCullum and Fleming in there?

I'd have Fleming there, but the gloves would probably go to Ian Smith. McCullum has a very good record though.