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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    So. What I'm looking for is 2 NZ teams. Firstly, a team of players under 30 years old and a team of players under 25 years old. The under 30s team should consist of the core of players you expect to be playing in 5 years and the under 25s team should consist of the core of players you expect to be playing in 10 years time. Now, leave a spot empty if there's no player who adequately fills that position. This will tell us where NZ need to focus developing talent.

    Under 30s
    Peter Ingram
    Aaron Redmond
    Ross Taylor (*)
    Jesse Ryder
    Brandon Hiini
    Grant Elliott
    Stu Mills (+)
    Bradley Scott
    Graeme Aldridge
    Mark Gillespie
    Jeetan Patel

    Under 25s

    Todd Astle
    Rob Nicol
    Ross Taylor
    Jesse Ryder
    Greg Hay
    Neil Broom
    BJ Watling
    Tim Southee
    Corey Anderson
    Richie Sherlock
    Robbie Schaw

    I'd hope that there's a better keeping candidate than BJ Watling coming through, but otherwise lookin' good!
    For the U30's Aaron Redmond isn't an opener, and isn't that good anyway. Replace him with Michael Papps. And I don't really see Brendon Hiini going anywhere either. His first class average is pretty inflated by the fact that he bats down the order and has been not out in half his innings. Could be a useful all rounder in ODI cricket but I don't really see it in test matches. Graeme Aldridge is too mediocre to expect any kind of success at international level. And what about Franklin, Mills, McCullum, Vettori, Fulton etc.? Or is this just those on the outer at the moment who might come into contention in the future at some point?

    U30's
    Michael Papps
    Peter Ingram
    Ross Taylor
    Jesse Ryder
    Neil Broom
    Jacob Oram
    Brendon McCullum
    Daniel Vettori
    James Franklin
    Kyle Mills
    James McMillan

    As for the U25's, it's a bit too early to make any serious predictions about who'll be in the side in 10 years, but with the exception of Corey Anderson (with whom it is simply too ridiculously early to make any assumption about) and Sherlock, who seems too injury prone to ever succeed, you've come up with a good list.

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    Yeah - my under 30s team was excluding any current fixtures in the team (including Papps as an expected fixture!!)

    Taking into account under-30s currently playing for New Zealand, I think your team's pretty good. As always, the opening position is a worry (hence why I had Redmond, but frankly it could have been anyone!). With Hiini, his current average of 59-ish may be over inflated by a few not outs, but he's still scored a couple of centuries down the order notwithstanding him being a bowler first and foremost. I've been impressed by his attitude too. However, I do agree that he seems more of an ODI option (in the great Kiwi tradition of accurate medium pacers and a big hitter with the bat).

    With regards to your comments about Anderson and Sherlock, whilst I agree that Sherlock seems to spend more time on the physio's bench than on the park (did he even play in 2006/7) he is an out-and-out quick, so I couldn't turn him down!! Anderson... well, he's 16 and already playing First Class. Barring injuries, I can't exactly see him standing still over the next 10 years.
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    I'm not that knowledgeable on ages so my youth team would be;

    Peter Ingram
    Michael Papps
    Jesse Ryder
    Greg Hay
    Rob Nicol
    David Houpapa
    Brendan McCullum
    James Franklin
    Jeetan Patel
    James McMillan
    Mark Gillespie

    I see the batting of that team being the BC's batting in a couple of years IMO

    Taylor misses out because I'm going on FC records, I might take Houpapa out for Fulton though.
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    I'm not convinced with Houpapa. Granted, I've only seen him 3 or 4 times, but he doesn't look to have much technique. I don't think he looks much of a test player, possibly ODI, but he'll have to improve on his technique to succeed at test level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    I'm not convinced with Houpapa. Granted, I've only seen him 3 or 4 times, but he doesn't look to have much technique. I don't think he looks much of a test player, possibly ODI, but he'll have to improve on his technique to succeed at test level.
    Astle didn't have much technique either and anyway, technique can be improved. He has the talent but whether he will succeed it's too early to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    I'm not convinced with Houpapa. Granted, I've only seen him 3 or 4 times, but he doesn't look to have much technique. I don't think he looks much of a test player, possibly ODI, but he'll have to improve on his technique to succeed at test level.
    He looked decent from what I have seen of him, played some powerful shots and was also quite good through the covers. Admittedly I'm not much of a technique judge, but it will be interesting to see how Houpapa goes for Auckland this season.
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    Can anyone remember the last time Oram and Styris both produced good performances with the bat in the same innings or even in the same test? It always seems that only one of them will do when playing together in tests.


    But then, that applies for the entire NZ team. Someone will make 100 and the next best score is 50 from Vettori...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    He should never have been left out in the cold, but it's good to see New Zealand Cricket at least attempting to right their wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Can anyone remember the last time Oram and Styris both produced good performances with the bat in the same innings or even in the same test? It always seems that only one of them will do when playing together in tests.

    But then, that applies for the entire NZ team. Someone will make 100 and the next best score is 50 from Vettori...
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    Just to raise a different point I'd like to see McCullum up the top of the order again in ODI's. Not as a hitter though. He should just play naturally. He seems to me like a strike feeder. He can feed the strike to the firepower and put away the bad ball for a boundary. If early wickets fall he is also an excellent rebuilder of the innings so he could fill that role .Would be great to have, plus he Taylor and Vincent are electric between the wickets.

    Also to fill the no.6 role instead of Oram who I see as a No.7 I decided to use a specialist batsman who has a cool head and can fill many roles ranging from 50 from 60 needed at 240/5 to 2/5 early in the innings. I chose Fulton. He is calm under pressure and is very versatile. That CH 50 at 5 or 6 was one of my favourite Fulton innings. I think he could do it. My second choice would be Fleming.

    A team like

    Vincent
    McCullum
    Taylor
    Fleming
    Styris
    Fulton
    Oram
    Vettori
    Mills
    Patel
    Bond

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    McCullum imo is much more suited at 6 or 7 where he can make full use of his hitting ability in the final 10 overs of a odi match. For a NZ odi team I'd like to see...

    Stephen Fleming
    Lou Vincent
    Ross Taylor
    Scott Styris
    Peter Fulton
    Jacob Oram
    Brendon McCullum
    Daniel Vettori
    Kyle Mills
    Shane Bond
    Jeetan Patel

    That imo should be NZ's X1 when all fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    McCullum imo is much more suited at 6 or 7 where he can make full use of his hitting ability in the final 10 overs of a odi match. For a NZ odi team I'd like to see...

    Stephen Fleming
    Lou Vincent
    Ross Taylor
    Scott Styris
    Peter Fulton
    Jacob Oram
    Brendon McCullum
    Daniel Vettori
    Kyle Mills
    Shane Bond
    Jeetan Patel

    That imo should be NZ's X1 when all fit.
    Yeah the thing is though is that Fleming aint an opener and Oram aint a no.6 but that team is a reasonable comprimise.

    P.S. On a sidenote am I the only one that thinks that Fulton is a beter batsman then Taylor atm? Everyone (mainly on radio) goes on about how good Taylor is but IMO Fulton has had a much better career to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Yeah the thing is though is that Fleming aint an opener and Oram aint a no.6 but that team is a reasonable comprimise.

    P.S. On a sidenote am I the only one that thinks that Fulton is a beter batsman then Taylor atm? Everyone (mainly on radio) goes on about how good Taylor is but IMO Fulton has had a much better career to date.
    Fleming's been an okay opener in ODI's. Has more runs there than any other position, and more centuries.

    My team would be:

    1. L Vincent*
    2. S Fleming
    3. P Fulton
    4. R Taylor
    5. S Styris
    6. J Oram
    7. B McCullum+
    8. D Vettori
    9. K Mills
    10. J Patel
    11. S Bond


    Patel and Gillespie interchangeable depending on pitch.

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