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    Quote Originally Posted by parttimer
    H. Singh should have been sorted out earlier, he was chucking with impunity for years. Broad wasn't afraid of being called a racist (which is the logical conclusion of choice for many). Do we have any1 else as brave as Broad on the panel? And why'd he leave?
    Isn't it funny, most chuckers come from sub-continent whereas the likes of lee have the cleanest action...

    oh wait, thats just a coicidence
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond
    Isn't it funny, most chuckers come from sub-continent whereas the likes of lee have the cleanest action...

    oh wait, thats just a coicidence
    Its true tho, isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz
    That said, this thread is not about Lehmann and his racial outbursts.
    Outburst. Not plural.

    Not excusing it in the slightest - racism in completely evil and should be beyond the pale, but a life time ban for a first offence when that offence is out of character and (almost) immediately apologized for is a bit extreme. The stiff ban, and the damage to his reputation that he suffered are surely the appropriatelevel of punishment.

    What about the lack of action against the Pakistan keeper who called Gilchrist 'a white c***' at the '03 World Cup, if you want to talk inconsistency in these things. At least lehmann was a man about admitting his stupid and offensive behaviour
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    Yeah, a life ban would have been extreme, given that the Sri Lankan team didn't press a complaint, and the incident didn't occur on the field. As serious as racial abuse is, it's not as significant in terms of the rules of the game as cheating, and players have done various things which constitute cheating of one sort or another without recieving life bans. The fact that Lehmann immediately apologised probably impacted on the severity of his sentence as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parttimer
    Its true tho, isn't it.
    ..and we are not familiar with sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79
    Outburst. Not plural.

    Not excusing it in the slightest - racism in completely evil and should be beyond the pale, but a life time ban for a first offence when that offence is out of character and (almost) immediately apologized for is a bit extreme. The stiff ban, and the damage to his reputation that he suffered are surely the appropriatelevel of punishment.

    What about the lack of action against the Pakistan keeper who called Gilchrist 'a white c***' at the '03 World Cup, if you want to talk inconsistency in these things. At least lehmann was a man about admitting his stupid and offensive behaviour
    ..and who are we talking about here?

    Never heard of this incident, any links

    Although few of them did use foul lingo when they got sachin and sehwag out, surely coz of the agony they gave them

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    Quote Originally Posted by parttimer
    Its true tho, isn't it.
    Good way to ignore the Lee question though. Or is that kink in his elbow seen as pure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79
    Outburst. Not plural.

    Not excusing it in the slightest - racism in completely evil and should be beyond the pale, but a life time ban for a first offence when that offence is out of character and (almost) immediately apologized for is a bit extreme. The stiff ban, and the damage to his reputation that he suffered are surely the appropriatelevel of punishment.

    What about the lack of action against the Pakistan keeper who called Gilchrist 'a white c***' at the '03 World Cup, if you want to talk inconsistency in these things. At least lehmann was a man about admitting his stupid and offensive behaviour
    Didn't Gilchrist withdraw that complaint due to it being a misunderstanding and never actually happened?

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    He may have chucked in 99 or 98 like some pple here say, but he's been legitimate for ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Didn't Gilchrist withdraw that complaint due to it being a misunderstanding and never actually happened?
    Gilchrist in the end declined to continue pursuing the issue because Rashid Latif denied it, Gilchrist was told it was his word against Latif's, and that the panel couldn't be expected to convict in those circumstances. Gilchrist decided that in the middle of a world cup campaign he didn't need the agro, so let it go. In his book "walking to Victory" he asserts that he remains certain that Rashid did say what he thought he said.

    From page 116 of "walking to victory": "Damien Martyn chased it and threw it back to me over the stumps, bring Rashid to the striker's end. Just as I turned to walk back to my keeping position, I was certain I heard him call me a 'white c***'.
    I couldn't believe what I'd just heard.... I felt I had no choice but to report it to the umpire. I've never had any reason in my whole career to do anything like that beofre. I've been called a lot of names and been sledged in many different ways, in club, domestic and international cricket, and I've given my fair share back, but I've never had the slightest desire to go to an umpire and make a report before."

    and pg 117-8, "I put a written report in to Steve Bernard, who in turn passed it on to the match referee, Clive Lloyd. Ironically it had been Clive who had handled Darren Lehmann a five match suspension just a few weeks previously after his comments in Brisbane.
    Clive called a hearing immediately. In attendance were Rashid, his captain Waqar Younis, their manager, plus Steve Bernard, Punter, myself and the umpires - including the third umpire. I briefly recounted my version of the incident, then Rashid was given a chance to reply. He asked their team manager to translate for him as he was concerned his English wasn't good enough...
    He denied making the comment; in fact, he accused me of making the inappropriate remarks. He claimed that, after he was given not out, I had said that he'd never be given out by that umpire because they were both the same colour - which absolutely floor me. It was probably more distressing than what he'd said on the field.
    I hopped straight back in and described exactly what I'd said after the not out. I looked everyone in the eye and said: "I can promise you I would never had said anything like that... Why would I bring this up if I'd gone and made a racist comment myself? Why would I report his comment? Why hadn't he reported it if I'd gone on like that? Why was my reaction so strong on hearing his comment if I had already put the wheels in motion?..
    We watched the video and it was clear that Rashid had said something to me, but you couldn't tell what it was.
    Clive Lloyd said, "Look, it comes down to one man's word against another's."...

    Pg 119 "To his credit, Clive provided as fair a hearing as he could, but 'through lack of evidence' he couldn't convict. That was fine, I understood that and I had no problem shaking Rashid's hand to put what I thought was closure on the whole issue."

    Gilchrist goes on to explain how Rashid later came out in the media threatening to sue Gilchrist for defamation, accusing the Australian's of tampering with the media's recording of events on the field, and staging the whole thing to make Lehmann not look so bad. Rashid then came out saying he had good relations with the Australian team and didn't want to sue anyone. gilchrist points out that despite an warning from the ICC hearing not to discuss the issues further in the press, no action was taken against Rashid for these comments, and as such he's including his view of events in his book.

    Rashid wasn't caught as red-handed as Lehmann, but still, its not a savoury event. Gilchrist doesn't seem the type to go to so much drama unless he thought he had a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parttimer
    He may have chucked in 99 or 98 like some pple here say, but he's been legitimate for ages

    ..really, (trust me I am not the one's who would say once a criminal)..but its cricket bowling for christ sake

    Well, on the same note, it's like Shane Warne who mentioned "fingers quote" to some bookie about a certain "ya right ! vweather report" and got a slap on the wrist way back whereas these days he should have been behind bars (speaking figuratively)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond
    Although few of them did use foul lingo when they got sachin and sehwag out, surely coz of the agony they gave them
    Interesting comment, and I suspect you'll say it was a joke, but tell me, at what point of somebody being too good to beat fairly, does it become acceptable to make offensive discriminatory remarks to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79
    Interesting comment, and I suspect you'll say it was a joke, but tell me, at what point of somebody being too good to beat fairly, does it become acceptable to make offensive discriminatory remarks to them?

    ..I am on your side, it doesn't make sense.

    Pakistanis still do it, especially the talibanisque Afridi who can't make up his mind about his career (I am sure everyone wanted to hear this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond
    ..really, (trust me I am not the one's who would say once a criminal)..but its cricket bowling for christ sake

    Well, on the same note, it's like Shane Warne who mentioned "fingers quote" to some bookie about a certain "ya right ! vweather report" and got a slap on the wrist way back whereas these days he should have been behind bars (speaking figuratively)
    If you're trying to say there isn't enough consistency from the ICC on chucking and other indiscretions..you're right. Afterall how could Kirtley and Botha be expelled soon after their debut, yet Harbhajan was allowed to continue his "bowling" despite having been called already. If you look at Harbhajan's action today, it bores little resemblance to that of a few years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by parttimer
    If you're trying to say there isn't enough consistency from the ICC on chucking and other indiscretions..you're right. Afterall how could Kirtley and Botha be expelled soon after their debut, yet Harbhajan was allowed to continue his "bowling" despite having been called already. If you look at Harbhajan's action today, it bores little resemblance to that of a few years ago
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    Sure, a turban'ator takes a hat-trick v.s Aussies and he is in the LIST

    LEE does it too, I am sure he has Health Insurance for a 'Chuck test" too

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