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    Historical Incident- When Walking was Morally Wrong

    In a previous thread we have discussed walking or not as a habit.

    Im including this as a different thread as I find it a very different take on the situation and also falls under the category of showing that 'old' cricket was not always the gentlemans game it was made out to be.

    This incident was taken from 'Its not Cricket' by Simon Rae.

    The Incident
    The 1964-65 England tour to South Africa was a very tense affair. Relations between the teams were not good and words were spoken by members of both teams.

    Things came to a head in the Third Test.

    Peter Pollock bowled a ball to Barrington. There was an appeal and the umpire, Jack Warner, quickly gave Barrington not out. Barrington then proceeded to leave the crease and walk as he believed he nicked the ball to the keeper.

    Now all hell broke loose.

    The Aftermath
    Quotes regarding Barrington walking included-

    "Ugly new low in sportsmanship"
    "..an ostentatious act which bordered on gamesmanship"
    "All Barrington succeeded in doing was hold the umpire up to ridicule and contempt"
    "..appeared to pass a public vote of no confidence in the umpire"
    "..it seems the England players are quite capable of umpiring the match themselves"

    The South Africans and the press beleived that by walking, Barrington was usurping the role of the umpire and embarrassing him.

    Ill end with a quote from former SA captain, Jack McGlew, who having witnessed the incident said "You must never take control of the game out of the umpires hands"

    In Conclusion
    Im not saying I agree with anything the South Africans said or did but nothing is cut and dry. The walking issue is not just as simple as non-walkers are cheats and walkers are saints.
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    Anyone suggesting that you can't undermine Umpiring by walking is, naturally, a fool.
    Still doesn't change my thoughts on the matter, though - by not walking, you're cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    In a previous thread we have discussed walking or not as a habit.

    Im including this as a different thread as I find it a very different take on the situation and also falls under the category of showing that 'old' cricket was not always the gentlemans game it was made out to be.

    This incident was taken from 'Its not Cricket' by Simon Rae.

    The Incident
    The 1964-65 England tour to South Africa was a very tense affair. Relations between the teams were not good and words were spoken by members of both teams.

    Things came to a head in the Third Test.

    Peter Pollock bowled a ball to Barrington. There was an appeal and the umpire, Jack Warner, quickly gave Barrington not out. Barrington then proceeded to leave the crease and walk as he believed he nicked the ball to the keeper.

    Now all hell broke loose.

    The Aftermath
    Quotes regarding Barrington walking included-

    "Ugly new low in sportsmanship"
    "..an ostentatious act which bordered on gamesmanship"
    "All Barrington succeeded in doing was hold the umpire up to ridicule and contempt"
    "..appeared to pass a public vote of no confidence in the umpire"
    "..it seems the England players are quite capable of umpiring the match themselves"

    The South Africans and the press beleived that by walking, Barrington was usurping the role of the umpire and embarrassing him.

    Ill end with a quote from former SA captain, Jack McGlew, who having witnessed the incident said "You must never take control of the game out of the umpires hands"

    In Conclusion
    Im not saying I agree with anything the South Africans said or did but nothing is cut and dry. The walking issue is not just as simple as non-walkers are cheats and walkers are saints.
    When Gilly walked this is the first incident that came to mind, I thought Gilly waited until the umpire gave him not out and then walked. Why didn't he walk as soon as the appeal was made?
    You know it makes sense.

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    If we were in a tight position in a match, and a friend walked causing us to lose i would slap him.
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    Just thought I would do a similar thing for the Gilly incident:

    The Incident
    2003 World Cup semi final, Australia vs Sri Lanka. Gilchrist had hit a couple of fours and sixes and was 22 from 19 balls. The spinner de Silva bowled to Gilchrist and Gilly tried to sweep him. He got an edge, it bounced up off his pad and he was caught behind. The umpire gave him not out. Gilchrist then decided to walk because he thought back to all the times when batsmen from the ashes series such as Vaughan and Hussain had not walked when they had claimed a close catch. He later said that a voice in his head had told him, Go. Walk.
    After cruising along to 37 from 7 overs. Australia lost a lot of quick wickets including Bevan who was given out when he shouldn't have been (perhaps this shows why you don't walk if your given not out because you can't stay if you are given out). Australia were 212 - 7 at the end of their innings. SL struggled in their reply and after some rain lost by the DL system.


    The Aftermath
    - Brought the issue of walking back into the spotlight.
    - Gilly became known as a walker.
    - Ponting started to ask opposing captains to take the fielding sides word if a catch was taken

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    This also happened in a televised John Player League 40 over match one Sunday in the 70's. Jack Birkenshaw was opening the batting for Leicestershire (the original pinch-hitter? ) and there was an appeal for caught behind. The umpire was Ray Julien and he gave it not out. After a pause of several seconds Jack Birkenshaw walked. Ray Julien then walked over to consult with the other umpire for no other reason than he had been made to look a complete chump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    When Gilly walked this is the first incident that came to mind, I thought Gilly waited until the umpire gave him not out and then walked. Why didn't he walk as soon as the appeal was made?
    Nah, certainly didn't seem that way to me.
    Seemed more like it with Kasprowicz at Chennai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson
    This also happened in a televised John Player League 40 over match one Sunday in the 70's. Jack Birkenshaw was opening the batting for Leicestershire (the original pinch-hitter? )
    Nah, no way. Pinch-hitting dates back at least to the 1950s, when Surrey would promote Arthur MacIntyre, and later Sussex John Snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoT_SpIn
    If we were in a tight position in a match, and a friend walked causing us to lose i would slap him.
    Except that his walking wouldn't have caused you to lose, his nicking\gloving it would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Except that his walking wouldn't have caused you to lose, his nicking\gloving it would.
    But he was given not out by the umpire so he walked

    People should just learn to except the umpires ruling, either if its wrong or right

    One time we did call a batsmen back, because our club umpire/coach is a ****** biased person..The guy had ran half way down the wicket and got hit in the thigh

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    If you're cheating by not walking when you should be out, aren't you cheating by walking when you shouldn't be out (and the umpire raises his finger)?
    Are you cheating cricket by not following its (questionable) rules or by not following the truth?
    Clearly, it's not a black-and-white issue ... but I tend to think that you should let the umpire do his job to maintain consistency.
    Morality that only points in one direction - giving yourself out - is rather sketchy, isn't it?
    If you only want to play a sport of absolute morality ... cricket is not for you ... perhaps no sport is for you, because there is always doubt involved.
    Unless we eliminate live umpiring and make the third-umpire the only umpire, this issue will remain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoT_SpIn
    But he was given not out by the umpire so he walked
    Mostly walking is done before the decision... in any case, it was still the glove\nick that got him out, not the walking.
    People should just learn to except the umpires ruling, either if its wrong or right

    One time we did call a batsmen back, because our club umpire/coach is a ****** biased person..The guy had ran half way down the wicket and got hit in the thigh
    Sorry... 2nd and 3rd paragraph is something of a paradox!!!!!!!!!!!

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