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    They could have been great but...

    A place to list players who could have been great but something happened or there was some reason why they did not.

    If there are enough responses Id like to see what an XI would look like.

    Just a few off the top of my head (obviously influenced by modern players)

    Archie Jackson
    Reason- Died

    Vinod Kambi
    Reason- Personality and Attitude

    Brett Schultz
    Reason- Injuries, Injuries, Injuries

    Graeme Hick
    Reason- Handled badly, Unrealistic Expectations, Mental Weakness

    Nantie Hayward
    Reason- Injuries and Attitude

    I am ignoring SA cricketers from the 70s and 80s due to the fact that there are a lot who could have made the list and there is a blanket reason why they did not succeed.

    There must be many more..
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    Ian Bishop's gotta be there.

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    Mark Ramprakash

    also Graham Hick was useless agaisnt fast bowling and that was the main reason for him never making it

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    Just a few Aussies to consider

    Matthew Elliott (Graeme Pollock after watching him bat said he would finish with an average of fifty)

    Bob Cowper (retired when at the peak of his form and still a young man, for business reasons)

    Jack Massie (was the best bowler in the country, but war injuries ended he career, the same for Ross Gregory who was killed in the war)

    Albert Trott (left for county cricket, and was one of the best players in the World)

    Sid Barnes (ave over 60 after 13 Tests and was left out for 'reasons other than cricket')
    You know it makes sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas
    Mark Ramprakash

    also Graham Hick was useless agaisnt fast bowling and that was the main reason for him never making it
    Without wishing to criticise anyone for criticising Hick, and not really willing to go out on a limb and 'do a Richard', I find it hard to describe Hick as 'useless' by any stretch of the imagination (glosses over test career) - he has, after all, got 168 centuries in all competitions - and some of those were made against pace.
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    I don't know if he'd have been in the pantheon with the greats, but Colin Milburn would almost definitely have played more than just the 9 tests if he hadn't lost an eye in a car crash.

    I think Basil D'Oliveria would've had an even more impressive career if he had debuted in tests at 24 rather than 34.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    Without wishing to criticise anyone for criticising Hick, and not really willing to go out on a limb and 'do a Richard', I find it hard to describe Hick as 'useless' by any stretch of the imagination (glosses over test career) - he has, after all, got 168 centuries in all competitions - and some of those were made against pace.
    Certainly Hick was a very very good county player but i against really quality pace bowlers he just counldnt cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas
    Certainly Hick was a very very good county player but i against really quality pace bowlers he just counldnt cut it.
    So they say - which is why I'm saying no more on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas
    Mark Ramprakash
    What reason?
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    Mike Proctor - apartheid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas
    Certainly Hick was a very very good county player but i against really quality pace bowlers he just counldnt cut it.
    Here in lies the argument. He sure didn't cut it at test level against the quicks but that is different to couldn't.

    Hence the reason he is on this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Mike Proctor - apartheid.
    I was leaving out the SA apartheid players as there are so many who could have been great. However, as you mention Proctor I think it only fair to mention- Vince van der Bijl

    also to add to the list

    Bart King
    Reason- American

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas
    Certainly Hick was a very very good county player but i against really quality pace bowlers he just counldnt cut it.
    absolute utter garbage. you would of course like to explain to me how he managed this then: http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?s...ields=viewtype
    averaging 47 for a 3 year period despite playing the likes of ambrose,walsh, bishop, benjamin, mcdermott,hughes, donald, pollock all in their primes.
    and oh everyone knows about his problems against waqar younis, in 8 innings in FC cricket against waqar younis his scores were: 145,85,182,9,65,31,13, 66.
    so much for him struggling against quality fast bowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    Nantie Hayward
    Reason- Injuries and Attitude

    i dont see any reason why nantie hayward could have been great. not only was he an extremely wayward fast bowler but other than pace he had no other attributes(swing,cut etc) that would trouble batsmen

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    heres my list over the 14 years that ive watched cricket:
    Craig White: if it werent for injury would have probably been one of the best fast bowlers around and a quite handy batsman.
    Mark Ramprakash- technical god, poor temperament
    Angus Fraser- see craig white(exclude handy batsman part)
    Mark Butcher- poor temperament, hampered by injury, and for part of his career-an inability to play spin
    dean headley-injury
    darren lehmann- not given a chance in his prime due to the strength of the australian test side
    Javagal Srinath- a rare occasion when temperament has actually affected a bowler for an extended period of time. For years he tried to use his pace to bowl short pitched deliveries, and by the time he learnt he was too slow to be anything great.
    Ajay Jadeja(ODIs)- match fixing
    Chris cairns - injury
    Roger twose(ODIs)- retired during his best years, still arguably NZ's best ever ODI batsman
    Dion Nash- injury
    Nathan Astle- poor temperament
    Shayne O'Connor- injury

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