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    Icon13 england's post ashes arrogance

    how much longer can it last? i don't think it can go on for much longer judging by recent results. it seems to me that every game/series they partake in at the moment is constantly overhyped. the cricinfo team (not sure about the cricketweb team ) seems rate each match more incredible than the next, despite most of these matches being non-events. yeh

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibbs[I
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    You clearly don't appear to have followed cricket since the Ashes.

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    Nibbs doesn't know the meaning of the words arrogance and hype.

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    now come on, i think you guys had have overreacted and are pretty much out of line, especially eddie. voltman, i've followed a lot of cricket since the ashes and i just feel that the english cricket team have just done nothing out of the ordinary in that time. lets face it. the only reason they managed to win the ashes was because the australians were out of sink at the time. i think had that series been played a year earlier england would have been beaten. having said other factors were different then, but Australia weren't at full strength. the end result is that we're now faced with this out of control bandwagon, that isn't going to cease to exist until some other english sporting team does something significant. perhaps, england winning the fifa world cup in a couple of months time would be a good thing afterall. then things will hopefully return to normal and all the bandwagon boys will go elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibbs
    now come on, i think you guys had have overreacted and are pretty much out of line, especially eddie. voltman, i've followed a lot of cricket since the ashes and i just feel that the english cricket team have just done nothing out of the ordinary in that time. lets face it. the only reason they managed to win the ashes was because the australians were out of sink at the time. i think had that series been played a year earlier england would have been beaten. having said other factors were different then, but Australia weren't at full strength. the end result is that we're now faced with this out of control bandwagon, that isn't going to cease to exist until some other english sporting team does something significant. perhaps, england winning the fifa world cup in a couple of months time would be a good thing afterall. then things will hopefully return to normal and all the bandwagon boys will go elsewhere
    Oh wait... so it's the Ashes that you didn't watch. Well that explains it all really.

    Of course it was nothing more than a mediocre performance that saw England fairly dominate two Tests in India, winning one and being denied in the other. Mind that they were also missing Vaughan, Giles and Trescothick and serving under a first time captain. That said, England only avoided defeat in India because India was out of "sink". Had India been fully fit and...oh...wait a minute...

    Get off it Nibbs. Rubbish.

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    I have to agree with Nibbs, England are supposed to lose, it's the way it is meant to be in every sport. When they win something my life doesn't feel normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibbs
    now come on, i think you guys had have overreacted and are pretty much out of line, especially eddie. voltman, i've followed a lot of cricket since the ashes and i just feel that the english cricket team have just done nothing out of the ordinary in that time. lets face it. the only reason they managed to win the ashes was because the australians were out of sink at the time. i think had that series been played a year earlier england would have been beaten. having said other factors were different then, but Australia weren't at full strength. the end result is that we're now faced with this out of control bandwagon, that isn't going to cease to exist until some other english sporting team does something significant. perhaps, england winning the fifa world cup in a couple of months time would be a good thing afterall. then things will hopefully return to normal and all the bandwagon boys will go elsewhere
    This is the Sheep Dip I was alluding to, but now I come to think about it, your normal sort makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    I have to agree with Nibbs, England are supposed to lose, it's the way it is meant to be in every sport. When they win something my life doesn't feel normal.
    To tell the truth, I agree - used to us being plucky underdogs who occasionally reach semi-finals only to lose to Germany in the penalty shoot-out.

    I don't feel comfortable with this, how-you-say, "winning" malarkey. I'm delighted that the tour of the sub-continent has restored my life's natural balance.

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    I totally agree with you nibbs. England havn't backed up their Ashes performances and I also think they were playing an out of sink Australia.

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    Originally posted by Nibbs
    the only reason they managed to win the ashes was because the australians were out of sink at the time
    Yeah that was the reason why. You can imagine the coversation between Punter and Warney after the 5th test...

    Warney: I can't see how we lost, we threw everything we had at them...

    Ponting: Apart from the kitchen sink... DAMMIT! I knew something was missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    I have to agree with Nibbs, England are supposed to lose, it's the way it is meant to be in every sport. When they win something my life doesn't feel normal.
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    I think most England fans are being realistic, and acknowledge that the Ashes was a high point for England and a low point for Australia. That's not to say it wasn't deserved, but the results before and since don't really reflect the same strength in each team. Still, it's been two tough tours to the subcontinent for England, against good sides and with injury troubles, so you can't be too harsh on a loss and a draw, especially with both series being consistently competitive.

    I think it's obvious now that England's middle order batting is a bit of a worry. Bell/Pietersen/Collingwood/Flintoff isn't a lineup which is going to strike fear in many opposition sides, and even when you put Vaughan back in there it's nothing special. Then you've got Jones at 7 who has underperformed terribly with the bat. The bowling is still strong, especially when you put Jones back into the team, but I think any in form pace attack is going to be pretty confident against that batting. It will be interesting to see how it holds up in the next Ashes series compared to the home side, given that Australia from 4 to 7 isn't exactly settled at the moment either.
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