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    Quote Originally Posted by Armadillo
    I'd like to see how he fares at Worcestershire and later on against England, but right now he looks formidable, especially on those pitches.
    What turning pitches, other than days one and two at Colombo, these tracks offered not much assistance to the pace bowlers. Maharoof, Kulasekara, Malinga, Anjum and Razzaq were not cutting the batsman up, only Gul when he was not bowling half trackers and Asif could do such a thing. Asif was constantly a threat even when the track at Colombo went flat on days four and five, the guy still was squaring batsman up and cutting right through them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    i dont know what you have been watching, but from what ive seen so far all 3 of the last 3 test match wickets that hes played on have offered plenty of assistance for seam bowling. karachi had appreciable movement in the first innings, while not so much in the 2nd(but still enough to help accurate seam bowlers), colombo offered plenty in that first innings but absolutely nothing in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th innings(not that he was absolutely brilliant in the 3rd inning either) and of course Kandy has offered enough to assist accurate seam bowling as evidenced by the fact that even razzaq took a 4fer.
    Of course all of this criticism is not to denounce Asif who i think is a fine bowler who gets far more seam movement out of wickets than most other fast bowlers and bowls some very good off cutters, but to say that the wickets that he has bowled on havent been helpful is absolutely not true.
    I never denied Karachi had movement in the first innings, because it obviously did but to even say that the pitch was bowler friendly from day 3 and beyond is silly. It wasn't flat, but it did flatten out a lot, and that's how Pakistan piled on 599. There is no way in hell any team can hit 599 at the speed Pakistan did (140.1 overs) on a bowler friendly pitch. It gave a little movement, and wasn't as flat as what we'd seen in the previous 2 tests, but it was not a bowler friendly wicket.

    When India batted in the 4th innings, the pitch was still flat, the only assistance it offered was a little uneven bounce (which is how Asif bowled Sachin, the ball stayed low) but it was far from a green top or anything. I'm sorry, but players like Mohammad Yousuf, Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq do not pile on 97 (161), 60 (46) and 90 (141) respectively on a bowler friendly wicket.

    And in regards to this Sri Lanka match, if it was so pace bowler friendly than how the hell did the Sri Lankan pacers only manage to take 5 wickets between them for 237 runs at an average of 47.1? What about Gul and Anjum doing crap all as well? It doesn't matter how crap a seam bowler you are, if the pitch is offering as much assistance as you are suggesting, they'd get more wickets than they did and wouldn't have given away as many runs as they did.

    Asif makes a pitch look more dangerous than he is. Compare these pitches to the ones seen in the Aus vs. SA tour when not only was Clark lethal, but Ntini, Lee, Nel and others were all getting seam movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy
    What turning pitches, other than days one and two at Colombo, these tracks offered not much assistance to the pace bowlers. Maharoof, Kulasekara, Malinga, Anjum and Razzaq were not cutting the batsman up, only Gul when he was not bowling half trackers and Asif could do such a thing. Asif was constantly a threat even when the track at Colombo went flat on days four and five, the guy still was squaring batsman up and cutting right through them.
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    Asif, Clark, a couple of INdian fast medium bowlers who actually bowl at a decent speed AND move the ball....... Are the bowling stocks around the world rising again?


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    Javed Miandad had made a comment about Mohammad Asif later last year i.e "Gaandh phaad de ga angrez ki" (Will blow up the as*h*l*s of English) & I think thats gonna prove true in Pakistan's upcoming tour of England.Only way that the Englishmen can save themselves from Asif & Shoaib is by preparing wickets which are as dead as they were in first 2 tests of India vs Pakistan series earlier this year.I think Mohammad Asif & Munaf Patel are one of the best young fast bowlers of the world but they need to perform against sides like Australia also.Umar Gul bowls too many short-pitched delliveries & Sreesanth has been very expensive most of the times I've seen him bowling.
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    lol Clark considered a young up and coming bowler at the age of 31
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA
    Javed Miandad had made a comment about Mohammad Asif later last year i.e "Gaandh phaad de ga angrez ki" (Will blow up the as*h*l*s of English) & I think thats gonna prove true in Pakistan's upcoming tour of England.Only way that the Englishmen can save themselves from Asif & Shoaib is by preparin wickets which are as dead as they were in first 2 tests of India vs Pakistan series earlier this year.I think Mohammad Asif is one of the best young fast bowlers of the world along with Clark & Munaf Patel.Umar Gul bowls too many short-pitch ed delliveries & Sreesanth has been very expensive most of the times I've seen him bowling.
    I know Miandad can make outlandish statements at times, but I doubt even he would say something offensive like that. You sure someone didn't exagerate his comments when you read/heard them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion
    I know Miandad can make outlandish statements at times, but I doubt even he would say something offensive like that. You sure someone didn't exagerate his comments when you read/heard them?
    Mate, I read it on another forum & that guy claimed to have copied the statment from an article on cricinfo About Mohammad Asif.I'm not sure whether Javed Miandad used exactly the same words or not but Miandad definitely said something about Mohammad Asif which cricinfo published in an article regarding Mohammad,a month or 2 ago.

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    Pakistan's worries in England won't be how well Asif and Shoaib do with the ball, it'll be how well their batsman play the likes of Freddy, Hoggard, Harmison and Jones if he's fit. At the moment far too many of their batsman struggle at the sign of any movement at all, whether off the pitch or in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godofcricket
    Yeah but these sort of wickets are far less bowler friendly then what he might get in england, he has bowled well where it is more difficult for fast bowlers to get wickets. Hence in england the chances of him getting wickets are more.........
    really? i care to disagree. Sl pitches have been low scoring for the last 2 seasons and offered plenty for the pace bowlers. Karachi did the same. As far as English pitches offering more is concerned, thats merely a stereotype, games in England have typically been high scoring over the last 2 summers with conditions not offering too much in terms of conventional swing or seam. There has been help for reverse swing but thats about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by godofcricket
    whatever views u have about him, the thing is he has an excellent line and length which is the most important factor, and with this factor he can be successful on all sorts of wickets.
    thats questionable, line and length doesnt get you wickets everywhere unless you can do something else with it. theres a reason why bowlers like Pollock are struggling to take wickets these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    I never denied Karachi had movement in the first innings, because it obviously did but to even say that the pitch was bowler friendly from day 3 and beyond is silly. It wasn't flat, but it did flatten out a lot, and that's how Pakistan piled on 599. There is no way in hell any team can hit 599 at the speed Pakistan did (140.1 overs) on a bowler friendly pitch. It gave a little movement, and wasn't as flat as what we'd seen in the previous 2 tests, but it was not a bowler friendly wicket.
    it may not have been bowler friendly but there was plenty of help for the bowlers which was my point. to say that the pitch didnt help the bowlers because the likes of Pathan, RP singh and co couldnt take wickets is pushing it IMO. Both shoaib and Asif got appreciable movement of the pitch, which only goes to show what bowlers who have more pace and bounce could get out of that wicket.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    And in regards to this Sri Lanka match, if it was so pace bowler friendly than how the hell did the Sri Lankan pacers only manage to take 5 wickets between them for 237 runs at an average of 47.1? What about Gul and Anjum doing crap all as well? It doesn't matter how crap a seam bowler you are, if the pitch is offering as much assistance as you are suggesting, they'd get more wickets than they did and wouldn't have given away as many runs as they did.
    umm the SL bowlers didnt take wickets because it consisted of Maharoof, kulasekara and Malinga, which is comfortably one of the worst SL pace attacks seen in a long time. and just because they didnt take wickets it doesnt mean that there wasnt any help, Maharoof was getting plenty of seam movement from the wicket despite competing with Malinga for having one of the worst bowling actions in the SL side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Asif makes a pitch look more dangerous than he is. Compare these pitches to the ones seen in the Aus vs. SA tour when not only was Clark lethal, but Ntini, Lee, Nel and others were all getting seam movement.
    So you're saying that Maharoof didnt get seam movement at Kandy? if you can tell me with a straight face that the ball that Razzaq bowled Mahela Jayawardhene with did not get significant seam movement, id be astonished considering that it seamed by several inches

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    yep agree with TEC with regards to English pitches, people seem to think all the English pitches are seamers paradises. In fact they have been high scoring the last few years. In county cricket there are a lot of spin friendly ptiches about.

    IIRC Pakistan will play at Lords (slope can help but can also be a hindrance for the inexperienced), Old Trafford (generally pretty flat, sometimes taking spin, though with no Murali at Lancs this year that may change), Headingly (not been as much of a pacemans paradise as people think recently, very much depends on overhead conditions) and the Oval (pace bounce but good for batsmen).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SA
    Javed Miandad had made a comment about Mohammad Asif later last year i.e "Gaandh phaad de ga angrez ki" (Will blow up the as*h*l*s of English) & I think thats gonna prove true in Pakistan's upcoming tour of England.Only way that the Englishmen can save themselves from Asif & Shoaib is by preparin wickets which are as dead as they were in first 2 tests of India vs Pakistan series earlier this year.I think Mohammad Asif & Munaf Patel are one of the best young fast bowlers of the world but they need to perform against sides like Australia also.Umar Gul bowls too many short-pitch ed delliveries & Sreesanth has been very expensive most of the times I've seen him bowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HowsThat
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    Quote Originally Posted by godofcricket
    Yeah but these sort of wickets are far less bowler friendly then what he might get in england, he has bowled well where it is more difficult for fast bowlers to get wickets. Hence in england the chances of him getting wickets are more........
    Clearly you haven't seen much recent cricket in England.
    Seaming pitches at present are pretty rare.

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