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Rules that need to change

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
We all love the game of cricket, no doubt about that, but it isn't perfect. There are arcane little rules and technicalities that annoy, that aren't fair, or perhaps negatively affect a good contest. And then there was the supersub.

My particular bugbear is that a fielder can throw the stumps down and, provided the batsman isn't run out, he can then continue to run off the deflection. To me that's not fair - a fielder has done a smart bit of work, hit the stumps, and then gets penalised for it.

Any thoughts? Does anyone else get irritated by a particular rule?
 

adharcric

International Coach
Obstructing the field should always be valid if it involves Inzamam, because that means we'll get to hear an amusing statement from him after the incident.:)

That's all I have to say.
 

Top_Cat

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My particular bugbear is that a fielder can throw the stumps down and, provided the batsman isn't run out, he can then continue to run off the deflection. To me that's not fair - a fielder has done a smart bit of work, hit the stumps, and then gets penalised for it.
In that particular instance, the extra run isn't penalising that fielder, though; it's penalising the peanut(s) who wasn't/weren't backing up the throw. ;)

For mine, the front-foot no-ball rule has to change. It's so hard to get it right and umpires routinely bugger it up and the umpires' attempting to get it right affects their ability to judge things once the ball has left the bowler's hand (i.e. LBW's and fine nicks). I see virtually no advantage being gained by a bowler being 1mm in front of the line vs 1mm behind it yet one results in a no-ball and the other does not and denies some bowlers wickets. And with really close ones, parallax errors mean umpires can sometimes err and no-ball a legitimate delivery which sometimes results in denied wickets.

So I say, sacrifice the front-foot rule, either revert to the back-foot rule or make the no-ball calls automatic and make umpires' jobs easier in adjudicating decisions at the really important end.
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
Top_Cat said:
In that particular instance, the extra run isn't penalising that fielder, though; it's penalising the peanut(s) who wasn't/weren't backing up the throw. ;)

So it's the backing-up fielder's fault if the ball deflects off at a 90 degree angle? I don't think so...

I agree with mundaneyogi - players aren't rewarded for good cricket in that instance.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Top_Cat said:
In that particular instance, the extra run isn't penalising that fielder, though; it's penalising the peanut(s) who wasn't/weren't backing up the throw. ;)
you cant really back up a throw that hits the stumps, depending on the angle to which the ball hits the stumps, it can ricochet in any direction really.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Voltman said:
So it's the backing-up fielder's fault if the ball deflects off at a 90 degree angle? I don't think so...

I agree with mundaneyogi - players aren't rewarded for good cricket in that instance.
If the fielder was accurate enough to hit dead center of the middle stump, it wouldn't deflect for any runs. If you're not good enough to hit the perfect spot to the exact millimeter, runs should definitely be scored.:p

On a serious note, have more than one backup man, a spread-out backup field so to speak.
 

sirjeremy11

State Vice-Captain
adharcric said:
On a serious note, have more than one backup man, a spread-out backup field so to speak.
Mostly that is just not an option. Especially when you have four slips and three gullies, and you're trying to run out the non striker.
 

Jdz

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
This is probabaly debatable but when a fielder goes to stop the ball going for four runs and part of his body is touching the rope whilest he has the ball in hand. Don't particulary agree with the rule since the ball didn't legitmately cross the rope.
 

sirjeremy11

State Vice-Captain
How about the rule that states that Dion Nash hit a four and not a six at Brisbane vs Sth Africa all those years ago. That was a crock. It hit the back rope!!!!
 

Top_Cat

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So it's the backing-up fielder's fault if the ball deflects off at a 90 degree angle? I don't think so...

I agree with mundaneyogi - players aren't rewarded for good cricket in that instance.
There are many other instances in cricket where good cricket isn't rewarded, y'know. Edges just falling short of slips or wide of the fielder which go for four, batsmen nailing a ball down the ground only for the ball to hit the stumps at the non-striker's end, etc. It's all part of the game. All I'm saying is that a fielder doesn't have to take a shot at the stumps; it's a potentially low-percentage move and there are risks as well as benefits. Benefit; speedier run-out attempt where using fielder to take the bails off may be too slow to effect an out. Risk; ball may miss or ricochet off for runs. You want to take a throw at the stumps? Feel free. Doesn't mean it's not a low-risk move and that you should be protected if doesn't go your way.

Anyway, how would one legislate against such a thing? Prevent the batsmen from running after the ball has hit the stumps? Why? Sure a batsman may get a run but they have to weigh up the risk of getting run-out attempting that run too. Anyway, how often does this sort of thing happen where a ball flies off and goes for four? Maybe a few times per international season. In short; bugger-all. Certainly not often enough that it should be legislated against.

you cant really back up a throw that hits the stumps, depending on the angle to which the ball hits the stumps, it can ricochet in any direction really.
Of course you can. It's on very rare occasions where a ball ricochets off so far that back-up fielders don't have it covered. If it gets past them, generally they're not back far enough to cover the possibility. Good fielders know this which probably explains why this scenario happens so seldom in any international season.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
- Knocking down of stumps by a fielder resulting in the ball being declared dead (except for the completion of the run in the process of being completed is fair enough and sound too.

- It makes sense to revert to the backfoot rule for no balls. Not only does it make the umpires job easier, it also gives the batsmen to take advantage of the no ball. That penalty for the bowler , that the batsman may slog, is virtually removed today for the bowlers.

- We might consider allowing a run out off a straight drive even if the ball did not touch the bowler's body. The non-striker IS taking advantage in a way and should run some risk. I know this can be debated but I feel small changes that adjust the balance a bit are to be considered.

- An extra fielder (making it three) should be allowed behind the popping crease line on the leg side instead of two as of today. This must be tried at least on an experimental basis for a year in first class cricket to see the effect.

- I know this will be unpopular but with the HUGE improvement in bats and the 'throw' off them. Boundaries should be made a bit bigger and a tighter range should be prescribed within which all international grounds' boundaries must stay.
 

Top_Cat

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How about the rule that states that Dion Nash hit a four and not a six at Brisbane vs Sth Africa all those years ago. That was a crock. It hit the back rope!!!!
Actually, it hit the inside half of the rope which is why they called it four instead of six. Perfectly in line with the rules.

That said, I have always thought that the rope should be the boundary and if the ball, in any way, hits it on the full, it's six. Which is why I thought he should have been awarded six too. :)
 

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- We might consider allowing a run out off a straight drive even if the ball did not touch the bowler's body. The non-striker IS taking advantage in a way and should run some risk. I know this can be debated but I feel small changes that adjust the balance a bit are to be considered.
The fielding side would basically have gotten a wicket without actually doing anything. Why reward something (a wicket is a pretty big reward for backing up a bit too far too) which requires no skill to do it?

More generally, why do people feel the need to legislate the crap out of the game? I mean, if you're talking cost/benefit, changing the front-foot no-ball rule has so many benefits whilst sacrificing just a little bit of accuracy on the popping-crease. Enshrining stuff about deflecting balls off stumps, etc. in legislation seems like adding rules for the sake of it considering how not very often those situations come up in any given international season.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Top_Cat said:
. Anyway, how often does this sort of thing happen where a ball flies off and goes for four? Maybe a few times per international season. In short; bugger-all. Certainly not often enough that it should be legislated against.
You are right when it is in the middle of the game but imagine at the fag end of a game with maybe a couple of runs needed and the last pair going for a desparate run, the poor fielder may be faced with an absolutely impossible choice. He will be cursed if he doesnt throw and cursed if he sends it for over throws.

Its not always possible to have a back up for the first run. It dioesnt need a big argument to show what kind of field placings can create a situation where a throw off a tight first run will be impossible to back up.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Top_Cat said:
The fielding side would basically have gotten a wicket without actually doing anything. Why reward something (a wicket is a pretty big reward for backing up a bit too far too) which requires no skill to do it?
Well batsmen get runs without doing anything dont they. But yes I see your point.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Disallowing leg byes is another thing which can be considered. Just imagine, an in swinging yorker hits the batsman's boot just outside the line of the off stump (a sure clean bowled but for the boot) and the ball screams to the fence and maybe thats the end of the match.

Not too fair, is it?
 

archie mac

International Coach
I always though they should delete leg byes, the batsman was not good enough to hit the ball, and yet the team gets runs.

Or even worse the bowler beats the batsman completly, the ball strikes the batsman on the hip (ouch) giving the keeper no chance and the ball goes for four runs.
 

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You are right when it is in the middle of the game but imagine at the fag end of a game with maybe a couple of runs needed and the last pair going for a desparate run, the poor fielder may be faced with an absolutely impossible choice. He will be cursed if he doesnt throw and cursed if he sends it for over throws.
Yeah but that's life, isn't it? :) You take a risk and if it comes off, reap the benefits. If it doesn't, life sucks. It's all part of the game (which, contrary to popular belief, it still is). You win some, lose some.

Disallowing leg byes is another thing which can be considered. Just imagine, an in swinging yorker hits the batsman's boot just outside the line of the off stump (a sure clean bowled but for the boot) and the ball screams to the fence and maybe thats the end of the match.

Not too fair, is it?
Indeed it strictly isn't but, put in the situation myself as I've been before (bowling the last-over, not many to win, etc.), an in-swinging yorker isn't a high-percentage ball because of the risk of that happening. Similarly unfair is if I bowl a bouncer which a batsman gets a top-edge to and gets four winning the match. It's still a low-percentage tactic and put in the situation, I try to avoid doing stuff like that. If I give a ball like that a go, I do so with the full awareness that although I might force the issue and nab a wicket, it may well all go to crap too. Deciding on tactics, etc. is all part of the fun and that uncertainty is what gives those moments their magic. It's what gives cricket it's x-factor. If I, as a bowler, knew a batsman couldn't get runs if they didn't hit the ball with their bat, the uncertainty would be lost a bit and the game would be a bit easier for me. I dunno about you, but I don't want cricket to be easy.

Perfect example; Tied Test 1961. The ball that got Benaud (top-edge hook to a player who played it well) could so easily have flown away for four which would have cost the WI the game. But Wes Hall took the risk and got him. The fact it had risk was what made the moment great and Wes Hall's action all the gutsier. If he'd gone for four, Wes Hall would have been derided as stupid. As the great Nigel Tufnel said in 'This is Spinal Tap', "There's a fine line between clever and stupid." :D
 
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Bring back the unlimited bouncer rule - more the merrier I say. Umpire still has discretion to penalise bowlers for intimidatory bowling, time wasting, etc.

Allow dismissals for obstructing the field if a batsman deliberatley alters course to protect the stumps when in danger of being run out.

Do away with the lbw law that states that you cant be out if struck outside the line of off stump if playing a shot. Umpire has enough to worry about without worrying whether the batsman got 1 mm outside off.
 

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