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Can someone explain the Mumbai Disaster, please?

adharcric

International Coach
We were cruising at lunch with Dravid steady and Tendulkar looking like he had regained some confidence. Then Dravid gone to a regulation ball outside off and Tendulkar caught off Udal (...). I leave the computer for 2 minutes and come back to see Dhoni walking in, I don't even want to know what Sehwag did. Then Dhoni was absolutely ludicrous. Harbhajan isn't a genuine batsman but he's certainly better than that mad slog to Hoggard.

England bowled well early on but apart from the Kumble & Jaffer dismissals, we blunted that rather well. Then what the hell happened at the end? What should we do about Sehwag? What should we do about Dhoni? Clearly, Laxman would be welcome now that Tendulkar is out for a while and the famed lineup commited suicide in dramatic fashion.
What about Kaif? Raina anyone?

At least the bowling was great. Then again, that was wasted by the pathetic fielding, which included world-class fielders like Yuvraj and Dravid. Hopefully "class is permanent, form is temporary" applies to fielding as well.
 
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adharcric

International Coach
A few things to consider ...

- a settled slip cordon (Dravid and Laxman are solid there, Kumble at 3rd/gully is fine)
- Sehwag's inconsistency and being exposed against top-class bowling
- Jaffer's bad habit of planting his front foot too early and getting caught lbw without playing a shot
- Dhoni and Pathan - they have shown that they can play safe but also that they can waste it all in a helpless moment of madness
- a stable batting lineup which doesn't rely on Rahul Dravid
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I said it in the last post by me in the India Vs England thread.


Wright used to mention that being a good short leg fielder is a pretty important thing for India when choosing the second opener. It makes sense because DRavid, VVS and Viru are the slip cordon, Kumble is gully, Sachin is mid off and Yuvi or Kaif are point fielders. The other opener simply MUST be a good short leg fielder. When the spinners are on, VVS can come in at silly point. But India need a heck of a lot of work in these areas. The problem is, every time one worrysome area is worked at, another one seems to cop up with this current Indian set up.


We had this worry about our bowling after the Pak tour and now the bowlers are bowling fine. But look at our fielding. I just hope the madness ends with this tour and that India actually start to put together good batting, bowling and fielding displays at the same time and consistently.
 

adharcric

International Coach
It's not just about the collapse. I'm referring to the fielding as well, and the stupidity on display today. Hopefully this bizarre batting shortcoming will prove to be the end of crap days for India. We need to get our act together.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I have tried to put my thoughts in the England India thread

SJS said:
First, we should pray that sachin will get back to form. If he does, it will be oriceless for India. We are not ready with any thing remotely like a replacement for him.

Two, we need to realise that test cricket is different and batting on wickets that are not dead as a Dodo is different. Thats why Sachin, Dravid and Laxman are special. Sehwag has limitations which he has to work to overcome. Just saying that we should leave him to his own methods is being stupid and worse.

Yuvraj has shown some maturity but needs to learn how to stay at the wicket for a day and a half. It requires a different mind set.

Jaffer needs to be persisted with but I think we have a problem with sehwag opening. If Dravid does not want to open, we need to find another solid opener.

In the last three series, in 9 test matches, we have had (other than the 410 in that bowlers graveyard in Pakistan, the following series of opening partnerships.

13
2
12
31
0
39
21*
9
8
11
1
18
39
9
6

Surely this is a major problem. Sehwag ia a big part of this problem. He needs to work on his deficiencies and stupid fans and ignorant TV channel anchors may get carried away by "I am like that only" but this wont cut much ice with world class bowlers particularly on wickets that are not dead.

NEXT, Dhoni's keeping is a problem. There is no point denying it because we cant even contemplate saying a word against our sporting Gods (until the day we decide to dump them unceremoniously). It was pathetic Siva trying to defend Dhoni's extremely poor show standing up to the stumps by saying wicket keeping is not an easy job particularly to world class spinners , Really? Thats news. So what are we siupposed to do. Dump the world class spinners or tell them that return catches are the only mode of dismissal available besides bowled and LBW?

Ridiculous. His batting IS NOT a justification/cover for poor keeping. If we think he is the new batting God, lets play him as a batsman and have a better wicket keeper. This wont do. The missed stumping of Flintoff, killed India's chances and that was not the only one. AND its not just the missed stumpings and catches that tell the sorry tale, it is the missed balls even when they do not come off the bat. They scare me for they show a bad keeper. Its only a matter of time when one of those missed balls would be off the bat.

NEXT, our slip catching is pathetic barring Dravid and the now discarded Laxman. You can play ODI's without great slip fielders (since you can win them without taking a wicket or even after conceding 434 runs) but test matches cant be won without a minimum four guys who are really good in the slip cordon. More so with the emerging new ball bowlers.

I saw the Indian team practicing for slip catches at the Wankhede stadium the other day. It was very lackadasical. Half of them dont even stand properly for slips. Then they were practicing only long catches which are difficult to for a batsman to give sharply during practice. You need to practice from much shorter distances to develop the reflexes.

On the bowling front, while things have improved with the new boys, I am amazed to see that Munaf almost a debutanyt, is the ONLY bowler in the team who sticks to a line. Pathan sprays it all over the place. The others do the to a varying degree.

Hoggard's major difference from the Indian bowlers was that he pitched the ball at more or less the same spot, ball after ball until he decided upon a variation like a bouncer or a yorker. This is what county cricket teaches you I suppose but who is disciplining the Indian bowlers.

I think these are problems enough. We have a big plus in the new bowlers like Munaf and Sreesanth who have shown some promise but we have far too many things to resolve before we start clamouring that the number two spot is rightfully ours.

Finally, lets NEVER forget that this series was played by us (and a poor show it was from us) against an England side devoid of five certs in their starting eleven and a sixth who looked so good in the first game.

We nearly lost at home to an England B team and thats a big big worry.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Thanks buddy, here's my reaction to the Udal shots.
:down: ....... :thumbdown ....... :sadwalk: ....... :blowup:

Quite simply, you have left me devastated: :blow:
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
adharcric said:
Thanks buddy, here's my reaction to the Udal shots.
:down: ....... :thumbdown ....... :sadwalk: ....... :blowup:

Quite simply, you have left me devastated: :blow:
Yea they were great weren't they... especially Dhoni, slogged up in the air to Panesar... Panesar loses it and it lands safe, shortly followed by slogged up in the air to Panesar and caught.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
I went to work when Sachin and Dravid were in, thinking India were done and dusted.

I honestly can't believe they did it. England truly are a team to be feared in a pressure situation. Bring on the Ashes.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Bring back this man:



He may be the most boring batsman of all time, and annoy the crap out of many Australians by never playing a shot, but damn it he's a great bat-pad fieldsman. And let's be serious here, no one plays the 'leave' better than him. Its his favourite shot.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Jono said:
Bring back this man:



He may be the most boring batsman of all time, and annoy the crap out of many Australians by never playing a shot, but damn it he's a great bat-pad fieldsman. And let's be serious here, no one plays the 'leave' better than him. Its his favourite shot.

Haha, I second this. We need more batsmen to leave balls. That shot by Dhoni should cost him his test career. Or at least sideline him for the upcoming tours to WI and SA as an example of what will happen if play with such sheer stupidity.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Jono said:
Bring back this man:



He may be the most boring batsman of all time, and annoy the crap out of many Australians by never playing a shot, but damn it he's a great bat-pad fieldsman. And let's be serious here, no one plays the 'leave' better than him. Its his favourite shot.
Is that Shiv Sundar Das or Aakash Chopra?
IMO Das simply can't be a short-legger because of the number of times he's been hit fielding there.
But I always liked the look of him as a batsman.
What about, now there's no more Ganguly, picking 2 specialist openers, BOTH of whom are capable short-leggers? Then having Sehwag at 6 behind Rahul, SRT and VVS?
One thing for sure - VVS MUST RETURN. 'Twas madness to drop him ITFP.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
silentstriker said:
Haha, I second this. We need more batsmen to leave balls. That shot by Dhoni should cost him his test career. Or at least sideline him for the upcoming tours to WI and SA as an example of what will happen if play with such sheer stupidity.
No shot should ever cost someone their career.
But I agree it was one of the most breathtakingly stupid acts we've ever seen.
Up there with Campbell-Hick at The Oval in 2000.
 

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