Will the West Indies ever rise again?

[Starfighter]

Ah, but what about Brandon Bess, Nelon Pascal or Gavin Tonge?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

We have some umpires who are very excellent. They're quite young also.

Gregory Brathwaite
Reifer

 

[Black_Warrior]

*than

Hey does this mean your English classes in June did not get cancelled because of the rain?

 

[Starfighter]

We have some umpires who are very excellent. They're quite young also.

Gregory Brathwaite
Reifer

This is the first time I've seen somebody talking up prospective umpiring talent.

I tell ya what, we'll trade Sam Nogajski and Paul Wilson?

 

[Beamer]

Westindies over the last 15 years have had some very promising fast bowlers like Dillion,Rose,Cuffy, Collins, Collymore, Edward,Tayloy, Roach who for one reason or another could not reach the next level like the 70-90 generation.

This happens for a variety of reasons. Taylor had all the talent you could possibly want but didn't have the work ethic to match. Edwards was too obsessed with bowling quickly even though he was much more effective when concentrating on 140kph outswingers (i.e no cricket intelligence). Roach is an outstanding fast bowler statistically and in terms of skills but injuries destroyed his career.

I guess Alzari Joseph and Miguel Cummins are the next two. Joseph in particular looks exceptional for his age, rather like Rabada did, but our track record of converting talent into productivity is dreadful.

 

[Beamer]

This is the first time I've seen somebody talking up prospective umpiring talent.

I tell ya what, we'll trade Sam Nogajski and Paul Wilson?

Umpiring in the Caribbean is absolutely disgraceful, if a spinner hits your pads you're given out. I'd swap our umpires any day!

 

[mr_mister]

were Collins, Cuffy and Colleymore really ever expected to be that great? I know Rose is another story

 

[jimmy101]

Long live Franklyn Rose.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Look out for this kid: Bhaskar Yadram (my fellow Guyanese), only 17 years old and is already showing immense signs of maturity.

He's already made FC and List A debut

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Nixon McClean was quite good also.

There was Patrick Patterson of the early 90s

 

[mr_mister]

My first international game I ever attended, Lara got a duck and Nixon Mclean smashed 40 with like 8 fours


was funny looking back

 

[ImpatientLime]

nixon mcclean was absolute trash.

i guess he is from the caribbean and a quick bowler so we have to elevate him a few rungs by default as we seem to with all west indian fast bowlers.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

They brought him into the 2003 WC squad because of his power hitting that Mister mr alluded to.

 

[mr_mister]

nixon mcclean was absolute trash.

i guess he is from the caribbean and a quick bowler so we have to elevate him a few rungs by default as we seem to with all west indian fast bowlers.

really? i cant think of any who debuted from 1990 to now that have been elevated in any way by hindsight when discussing them


if you're talking about the 70s/80s crop then surely all of them deserve the praise they got?

 

[Beamer]

were Collins, Cuffy and Colleymore really ever expected to be that great? I know Rose is another story

Collins and Cuffy no, they were going to be decent at best.

Collymore however was a big loss, as a youngster he was 140kph plus with perfect seem presentation and each way movement. Unfortunately a serious stress fracture of the back caused him to change his action and his pace reduced to 130kph. He was still a decent international bowler though without being exceptional.

 

[Beamer]

really? i cant think of any who debuted from 1990 to now that have been elevated in any way by hindsight when discussing them


if you're talking about the 70s/80s crop then surely all of them deserve the praise they got?

Yeah I really don't understand ImpatientLime's comment tbh. Are we not allowed to get excited by young West Indian fast bowlers anymore just because we've had an awful lot of rubbish ones since the 90's? If so I'm not sure why I'm still following cricket because I need something to get excited about. Watching Under 19 cricketers emerge is one of the main reasons I've been able to maintain my enthusiasm during these very dark years. The fact we do still have exceptional talent coming through (even if we have no idea how to turn it into international standard cricketers) keeps the flame flickering.

 

[Beamer]

nixon mcclean was absolute trash.

i guess he is from the caribbean and a quick bowler so we have to elevate him a few rungs by default as we seem to with all west indian fast bowlers.

I honestly cannot remember seeing Nixon move the ball off the seam once. It was 140kph straight onto the middle of the bat. Painful.

 

[vcs]

Yeah, I thought Collymore was OK. Won WI a tri-series final against India once in Zimbabwe. Also Jermaine Lawson bowled well against us once, wonder what happened to him.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Yeah, I thought Collymore was OK. Won WI a tri-series final against India once in Zimbabwe. Also Jermaine Lawson bowled well against us once, wonder what happened to him.

They called Lawson for chucking and his life was never the same ever since.

 

[ImpatientLime]

really? i cant think of any who debuted from 1990 to now that have been elevated in any way by hindsight when discussing them


if you're talking about the 70s/80s crop then surely all of them deserve the praise they got?

Westindies over the last 15 years have had some very promising fast bowlers like Dillion,Rose,Cuffy, Collins,Collymore,Edward,Tayloy, Roach who for one reason or another could not reach the next level like the 70-90 generation.

the idea that these were blokes who were very promising and just failed to fulfil their potential and not just average to begin with is what i'm talking about.

the only one i give a pass to is roach as he looked legitimately good for more than a fleeting moment. the rest did what they did at international level because thats all they were worth.